Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: pseudoswede on November 30, 2007, 06:05:54 am
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Since it was requested that we start a new thread in this forum...
If someone, or a group, is caught cheating on the game, what kind of penalties are assessed if they are not banned?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Ban them for life :twisted:
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look in the game updates section, first sticky.
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You meant Game News section? ;)
The last post in that sticky is the reason why I created this thread.
It appears that the violators may not be banned, but penalized somehow. I'm curious to know what kind of penalties.
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Make it easier for the staff. Account deleted. No warnings :wink:
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Make it easier for the staff. Account deleted. No warnings :wink:
*evil laugh* I think we could agree on that one, and clear out accounts faster! :twisted:
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Make it easier for the staff. Account deleted. No warnings :wink:
*evil laugh* I think we could agree on that one, and clear out accounts faster! :twisted:
I want to and I am doing that to limited accounts (inactive / in debt multiple accounts, repeat offenders, and fake accounts).
Temporary account suspension goes without mentioning. That is the only realistic way to get the players to response to our investigation. Penalties would include a in-game cash penalty and possibly a period of suspension. I am trying to refine my penalty formula so in the future the penalty would by a measurable sum in relative to your networth, instead of a fix amount regardless of your size. What I am thinking is a fixed amount + a percentage of networth + an additional percentage of administrative fee (which unfortunately, I don't get to pocket). The fixed amount would most possibly cover the unfair gain from the violation, which the other two should make up the real penalty. At the moment, it is only 120% of the fixed amount, which sometimes does not even cover all the unfair profit made, although the sum is usually large enough to sound good :roll:
I could say that we are working on make the rules more visible. After all players are informed and aware of the rules, the penalty will be a lot tougher. (maybe delete accounts on second offence).
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Just delete them on first offense.
Im sick of seeing dktc complaining he doesn't have enough time.
:lol:
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Just delete them on first offense.
Im sick of seeing dktc complaining he doesn't have enough time.
:lol:
Then I will get idi..oeerrmm.. players complaining that they can't log into their accounts, and it is rude to delete their accounts even if they violate the game rules. Some people even scream at me for suspending their account to get them to respond. :roll: I would be killed by the mob, if I delete them on first offense. (Why do I get the sense that Jps want to see me killed by the mob? :? :P )
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Dktc's just lazy. :lol:
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He does a hell of a lot of work for AM and without him I cannot imagine what state the game would be in.
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Then he deserves to get paid :lol:
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Then he deserves to get paid :lol:
Unfortunately its not a paid position. Anyway we cannot afford to. :(
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Then he deserves to get paid :lol:
Jps got the money!!!!! :lol:
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you could put commercialls in hte language forums! no one ever goes there. 8)
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What I am thinking is a fixed amount + a percentage of networth + an additional percentage of administrative fee (which unfortunately, I don't get to pocket). The fixed amount would most possibly cover the unfair gain from the violation, which the other two should make up the real penalty. At the moment, it is only 120% of the fixed amount, which sometimes does not even cover all the unfair profit made, although the sum is usually large enough to sound good :roll:
Cash penalties are fine and dandy; however, unless you fine them 10-20 billion and send them deep into the red, they will most likely be back up and running quickly. Say you catch an airline cheating and it has 100mil DOP and about 6 billion in available cash. Even if you fine the airline 20 billion, it will be back up and running within a week as if nothing happened. Even if you prevent the airline from logging in for a week, it would take just a few hours of route adjusting to get back near normal.
I would rather see a cheating airline's cash set to 0 and their DOP severely reduced (80-90%) for a period of time (6 months to 1 year for minor penalties; 2-4 years for major penalties).
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What I am thinking of is relating the airline's networth (value) to the penalty. Say if I take 50%*networth of cash away, I am positive most airlines will be in red :lol:
But another factor we have to take into consideration is that we are to deter players from violating the routes and to take away any advantages they have possibly gained from doing so. In the process, we may add a bit something in there, but it is not in our interest to drive all players away. (wait... no... I mean it is not in Stephen's interest to drive them away, although I personally don't care for them at all.) Too creul a penalty would just be a waste of time for both parties. It would be much easier to reset/delete the account instead. However, that would drive away players and increase complaints (which in my pov are unreasonable... but then people will start screaming at me because that is politically incorrect. People love to be fake, and teh authority is always wrong...oh well... :roll: )
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Just make it a rule that if someone created more then two or three fake accounts you ban all his/her accounts immediately. These efheads don't just try to cheat, they try to kill the game. (And thus aren't responsive to penalties)
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In the process, we may add a bit something in there, but it is not in our interest to drive all players away. (wait... no... I mean it is not in Stephen's interest to drive them away, although I personally don't care for them at all.)
I'm going out a limb and say that the majority of the people you would drive away are more detrimental to the game and are the kind of people Stephen wouldn't mind not seeing again.
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Problem is there is no way to know for sure that account is a fake or a dupe in most cases.
I just got another email questioning why his accounting got deleted. And yes, I mean "questioning", not "enqiring" or "asking". Under ideal circumstances, in which everyone would read the game rules and realize that they are the ones who got their own account deleted, I would telling them to f*** themselves. But the problem is, everyone assume it is my fault that their accounts got suspended or deleted. It is always my fault that they are ignorant. It is my fault that they cheat. It is my fault that they share computer with someone else that use a very similar email address or a fake address as they use, without telling us......
Anyway, the point is, there could be innocent people that got deleted if I go ahead and delete everyone I think is violating the rule, and I would not be able to stand those guilty idiots blaming me. Then, people will complain that I am rude (like I am being complained about now for speaking the truth instead of being fake) and that I should get fired.
Someone would be commenting that I am self-centered and that I am being defensive again. :roll:
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Problem is there is no way to know for sure that account is a fake or a dupe in most cases.
I just got another email questioning why his accounting got deleted. And yes, I mean "questioning", not "enqiring" or "asking". Under ideal circumstances, in which everyone would read the game rules and realize that they are the ones who got their own account deleted, I would telling them to f*** themselves. But the problem is, everyone assume it is my fault that their accounts got suspended or deleted. It is always my fault that they are ignorant. It is my fault that they cheat. It is my fault that they share computer with someone else that use a very similar email address or a fake address as they use, without telling us......
Anyway, the point is, there could be innocent people that got deleted if I go ahead and delete everyone I think is violating the rule, and I would not be able to stand those guilty idiots blaming me. Then, people will complain that I am rude (like I am being complained about now for speaking the truth instead of being fake) and that I should get fired.
Someone would be commenting that I am self-centered and that I am being defensive again. :roll:
You need to liberally quote forum rule number 1
'This is the private property of Stephen and his backers'
'You don't have to be here'
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You need to liberally quote forum rule number 1
'This is the private property of Stephen and his backers'
'You don't have to be here'
And people say I am rude and tell me to go f*** myself. They are out of here. :roll:
(and this is a real occurance... and one of these days, I will fire myself)
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Use one of the game's biggest problems to your advantage; release all their gates and make their accounts inactive for 24 hours. especially if their in a busy place like north america or europe, they will never get their gates back.
:twisted:
The only way they could stay alive is going like hampo and lease everything, but that would be tough to do. 8)
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Problem is there is no way to know for sure that account is a fake or a dupe in most cases.
I just got another email questioning why his accounting got deleted. And yes, I mean "questioning", not "enqiring" or "asking". Under ideal circumstances, in which everyone would read the game rules and realize that they are the ones who got their own account deleted, I would telling them to f*** themselves. But the problem is, everyone assume it is my fault that their accounts got suspended or deleted. It is always my fault that they are ignorant. It is my fault that they cheat. It is my fault that they share computer with someone else that use a very similar email address or a fake address as they use, without telling us......
Anyway, the point is, there could be innocent people that got deleted if I go ahead and delete everyone I think is violating the rule, and I would not be able to stand those guilty idiots blaming me. Then, people will complain that I am rude (like I am being complained about now for speaking the truth instead of being fake) and that I should get fired.
Someone would be commenting that I am self-centered and that I am being defensive again. :roll:
Yah, I know that part... I reckon it doesn't matter if you run a board or a game, the rule violaters are the guys who have the worst grammer and the biggest vocab of insults...
I mean, seriously. The AM page has written all over it that you won't tolerate multiple accounts. And most people on here don't share their accounts with 13 brothers who have the the mail adresses
d*ckhead1@gmail.com
d*ckhead2@gmail.com
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d*ckhead13@gmail.com
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Really I can understand that you're annoyed!
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Excuse my ignorance but how can you cheat on this game anyway?
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Excuse my ignorance but how can you cheat on this game anyway?
by making double accounts so one of the accouts can have like 20 starter DC-3 and sell them to the base accounts with like, 50% off :roll:
or exposing the .5 routes, or sql injection the server to give your accounts free money :roll:
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Excuse my ignorance but how can you cheat on this game anyway?
by making double accounts so one of the accouts can have like 20 starter DC-3 and sell them to the base accounts with like, 50% off :roll:
or exposing the .5 routes, or sql injection the server to give your accounts free money :roll:
Yah, and some of those are pretty obvious: There were some players in the game who had 6 DC-3s on the first gameday without being a broker. Honni soit qui mal y pense :roll:
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Excuse my ignorance but how can you cheat on this game anyway?
by making double accounts so one of the accouts can have like 20 starter DC-3 and sell them to the base accounts with like, 50% off :roll:
or exposing the .5 routes, or sql injection the server to give your accounts free money :roll:
Yah, and some of those are pretty obvious: There were some players in the game who had 6 DC-3s on the first gameday without being a broker. Honni soit qui mal y pense :roll:
and what does it mean, i really didn't understand them :roll:
:lol:
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Disdained be who thinks it's a bad sign.
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Excuse my ignorance but how can you cheat on this game anyway?
by making double accounts so one of the accouts can have like 20 starter DC-3 and sell them to the base accounts with like, 50% off :roll:
or exposing the .5 routes, or sql injection the server to give your accounts free money :roll:
where's the sql injection. pm me.
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to many big posts. my brain hurts :D
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Excuse my ignorance but how can you cheat on this game anyway?
by making double accounts so one of the accouts can have like 20 starter DC-3 and sell them to the base accounts with like, 50% off :roll:
or exposing the .5 routes, or sql injection the server to give your accounts free money :roll:
where's the sql injection. pm me.
no, really i don't know :) i'm just showing how you can cheat in PHP-based online game, and one of the trick that i know is SQL injection, but in reality i didn't know if SQL Injection will work on AM. Might try it though :mrgreen: