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Airline Mogul => Game Data => Topic started by: pseudoswede on November 27, 2007, 04:09:11 pm
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Are there plans to have the earlier versions (I, IA, III, and/or VI) of this aircraft in the game?
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If you can find the data (some source(s) which list it at least) and get it to us, we can probably get it in sooner then later. Always planning on getting all the aircraft we can which seat at least 9, or seat 8 and have significant historical value or incredible convenience of data. We prefer 9+ seats though.
speed:
range:
engines:
cockpit crew:
capacity (max preferably):
release date:
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AS from Janes All the Worlds Aircraft 1970-71:
Caravelle I :
Range: 2000km max payload, 2600km ferry
Speed: 805kmh max, 762kmh typical
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 522 Turbojets, 11000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 80
Entry into Service: Feb 1959 (SAS*)
Caravelle IA :
Range: 2150km max payload, 2700km ferry
Speed: 815kmh max, 775kmh typical
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 522A Turbojets, 11800lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 80
Entry into Service: May 1959 (Air France)
Caravelle III:
Range: 2300km max payload, 2800km ferry
Speed: 845kmh max, 785kmh typical
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 532R Turbojets, 12600lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: April 1960 (Alitalia)
Ill see about posting the VI-R/VI-N, 10R, 11R, 12 and Super 12B specs later today...
*= this is an interesting trivia tidbit... SAS flew a commercial flight 3 days before Air France with a demonstrator... Caused a diplomatic incident at the time.
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ok here we go:
Caravelle VI-N:
Range: 2500km
Speed: 845kmh
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 533R Turbojets, 12600lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: January 1961
Caravelle VI-R:
Range: 2560km
Speed: 845kmh
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 533R Turbojets, 12600lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: July 1961
Caravelle 10-R:
Range: 3295km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: Sept 1965
Caravelle Super 10B:
Range: 2655km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 104
Entry into Service: July 1964
Caravelle 11-R:
Range: 3365km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 99
Entry into Service: April 1967
Caravelle 12:
Range: 2740km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 112
Entry into Service: November 1970
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BTW if there any other data you guys want out of Janes' let me know.
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Hows about, if there's any other planes out of Janes you want to see in game... :D
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ok i'll give it some though :P
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How about just scanning the whole book in and email us at staff? :lol:
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How about just scanning the whole book in and email us at staff? :lol:
Umm... lets see... 1020 pages in the 70-71 one alone... so at 2 minutes to scan and process each page... 2040 minutes... so if you wanna pay me for 34 hours work at $95 an hour+expenses (going consultant rate for me)... well :) anyways i dont think my poor scanner would take the work... the book alone would probably crush it.
And then i have 75-76, 80-81, 85-86, 91-92, 94-95... and a reproduction of 1945 AND i have a bunch of other sources. See if i had the time i would of applied for the aircraft editor position, i just don't have the time reliably nor really the desire...
But i can type some in for ya...
Like the other Constellations, the Canadair DC-4M, The Viscount 800, etc...
When i get home tonight :D
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so if you wanna pay me for 34 hours work at $95 an hour+expenses (going consultant rate for me)... well :)
hmm... then I may need to charge you for 6 hours a day, $10/hr, for as long as you have played and will be playing AM to provide you with any degree of support. :lol: Thanks for your generousity :lol:
(oh... and that is only for me. Any technical support involving Will or Stephen would cost you more :P )
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so if you wanna pay me for 34 hours work at $95 an hour+expenses (going consultant rate for me)... well :)
hmm... then I may need to charge you for 6 hours a day, $10/hr, for as long as you have played and will be playing AM to provide you with any degree of support. :lol: Thanks for your generousity :lol:
(oh... and that is only for me. Any technical support involving Will or Stephen would cost you more :P )
ummm... yea ok, lets just call it even ok? Don't wanna go there especially since this is the season of giving :)
anyways here we go:
Lockheed L-049 Constellation:
Range: 2214km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-50 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 60
Entry into Service: February 1946
Lockheed L-649 Constellation:
Range: 2792km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-65 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 81
Entry into Service: March 1947
Lochheed L-749 Constellation
Range: 3219km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-65 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 81
Entry into Service: May 1947
Lochheed L-749A Constellation
Range: 3330km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-65 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 81
Entry into Service: March 1949
Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation
Range: 4409km
Speed: 483kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-749C18DB-1 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: December 1951
Lockheed L-1049C Super Constellation
Range: 5219km
Speed: 483kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-87TC18DA-1 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: August 1953
Lockheed L-1049E Super Constellation
Range: 7753km
Speed: 533kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-972TC18DA1 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: August 1954
Lockheed L-1049G Super Constellation "Super G" w/o tip tanks
Range: 7614km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-87TC18DA-3 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: January 1955
Lockheed L-1049G Super Constellation "Super G" with tip tanks
Range: 8614km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-87TC18DA-3 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: January 1955
(closest match to existing Super Constellation in the game)
Lockheed L-1649 Constellation Starliner
Range: 11080km
Speed: 505kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-988TC18EA-12 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 115
Entry into Service: February 1957
Canadair DC-4M2-3 NorthStar Mk1
Range: 3914km
Speed: 523kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Merlin 622
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 62
Entry into Service: January 1947
Canadair DC-4M2-4 NorthStar Mk2
Range: 5505km
Speed: 523kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Merlin 632
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 68
Entry into Service: October 1948
Vickers V802 Viscount
Range: 2550km
Speed: 523kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Dart 525Da-3 Turboprops
Cockpit Crew: 3
Max passenger capacity: 75
Entry into Service: January 1957
Vickers V810 Viscount
Range: 2773km
Speed: 563kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Dart 525Da-7 Turboprops
Cockpit Crew: 3
Max passenger capacity: 75
Entry into Service: January 1958
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Ok lets see... what else...
Convair/Canadair CV-540/CL-66C
Range: 1745km
Speed: 500kmh
Engines: 2x Napier Eland N. E1.1 Turboprops
Cockpit Crew: 2
Max passenger capacity: 54 (or as CV440)
Entry into Service: July 1960
Well if i think of any more ill post them tommorow.
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Lockheed L-1649 Constellation Starliner
Range: 11080km
Speed: 505kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-988TC18EA-12 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 115
Entry into Service: February 1957
Would love to have them in 1957 :lol: ... long range... :wink:
Finally somebody who actually knows Rolls Royce Darts can do better!
Who ever provided the info for the Vickers in the game... reconsider where you get the info.
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Lockheed L-1649 Constellation Starliner
Range: 11080km
Speed: 505kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-988TC18EA-12 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 115
Entry into Service: February 1957
Would love to have them in 1957 :lol: ... long range... :wink:
Mmm, good thing the reality of the Starliner doesn't come through in stats... to get max range it flew really slow (so slow that on some days an L1649 flying SFO-LHR non-stop would arrive AFTER an L1049 doing it with one stop in Boston that left 20 minutes later and spent over an hour on the ground in Boston!), at max speed its range was only marginally higher than the L-1049G with tip tanks.
But the Starliner was techincally the longest range airliner in the west until the DC-8-50 came along... the Tu-114D was the longest range in the world most of that period...
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Just a question (and no offence), what did you get the data again? I can't find the range (at least not those listed) in Jane's All the World's Aircraft 70~71. Viscount, connies, etc. aren't even in it (probably in another year). Please kindly clarify.
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They are from:
Lets see, the Viscount specs are from 65-66 Jane's
DC-4M is actually from a Canadair sales brochure, partially verified from other sources (except capacity).
L-1049/1649 from 60-61 and 65-66 Jane's. Honestly they are a mess, the info is conflicting, but i verified the important (aka whats posted) parts with other less reliable books i have (Encyclopedia or World Aircraft, Propliner Encyclopedia, Guide to Classic Airliners).
L-049/649/749 is from Observers World Airliners copyright 1960... partially verified from info in 60-61 Jane's which partially lists them and the above Mentioned Classic Airliners.
And the Caravelle specs not in 70-71 Jane's are from Observers and 65-66 Jane's.
the 60-61 & 65-66 Jane's aren't mine alas... they belong to a friend who graciously allowed me access.
And i fully understand the reason for the question, i would be asking too... I wish i had better specs on propliners but alas my library mostly covers 1965 on.
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Let's see what Will says. At least the libraries of my Univ have the Jane's... and a couple of encyclopedia I think.
I am reading the Jane's 70~71 as I am typing :roll: (<----dork)
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Let's see what Will says. At least the libraries of my Univ have the Jane's... and a couple of encyclopedia I think.
I am reading the Jane's 70~71 as I am typing :roll: (<----dork)
i still say i worry for your health sometimes, with how many volumes of Jane's your school has in its libraries... especially as you've only had the janes 70-71 for about 5 hours and have gone through over 100 pages.
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You can find some old, cheap Janes books on ebay.
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oo... juancho is back
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hi JUANCHO, haven't seen you in a time