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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: eeikel on November 18, 2007, 09:23:25 pm

Title: Gates leasing
Post by: eeikel on November 18, 2007, 09:23:25 pm
Pitty we cant rent or lease out gates, it would be a major expension in the game
I would be renting out slots  :lol:
Also creating a Hub where the amount of passengers flown in would be calculated with the flights flying
out so small airports can be profitable transfert into a connection centre.
cheers
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: Hampo on November 18, 2007, 09:37:10 pm
No.

People would mass buy slots at the start of the round, then lease them out at stupid rates.

no no no no no!
Title: hi
Post by: eeikel on November 18, 2007, 10:03:02 pm
Well you first have to fly before you can buy gates
then you need 5 gates to create a base and then build a terminal
after that it would be nice if you could lease out the extra gates youll not using
and create some extra income cq interest over the money invested.

Now new players have no change building there airline because there no gates left to buy or rent.
cheers
Title: Re: hi
Post by: Vamerica on November 18, 2007, 10:06:41 pm
Quote from: "eeikel"
Well you first have to fly before you can buy gates
then you need 5 gates to create a base and then build a terminal
after that it would be nice if you could lease out the extra gates youll not using
and create some extra income cq interest over the money invested.

Now new players have no change building there airline because there no gates left to buy or rent.
cheers


Only 4 to make a base.
Title: Re: hi
Post by: dktc on November 18, 2007, 10:56:50 pm
Quote from: "eeikel"
Now new players have no change building there airline because there no gates left to buy or rent.

It would be worse if I could rent all the gates from an airport, say 350k each for LHR, then lease them back out for 100k per slot. I would buy the whole airport as quickly as I could. :roll:

So, no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no! This is NON-negotiable.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: Vamerica on November 18, 2007, 10:59:05 pm
Not to be mean, but this is the worst idea Ive seen.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: dktc on November 18, 2007, 11:02:28 pm
Quote from: "Vamerica"
Not to be mean, but this is the worst idea Ive seen.


Tell that to the about a dozen people who have suggested this in various threads. :roll:
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: Vamerica on November 18, 2007, 11:07:23 pm
Quote from: "dktc"
Quote from: "Vamerica"
Not to be mean, but this is the worst idea Ive seen.


Tell that to the about a dozen people who have suggested this in various threads. :roll:


I feel sorry for you because you have to tell every one that it is a bad idea.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: Seattle on November 19, 2007, 02:36:41 am
Quote from: "Vamerica"
Quote from: "dktc"
Quote from: "Vamerica"
Not to be mean, but this is the worst idea Ive seen.


Tell that to the about a dozen people who have suggested this in various threads. :roll:


I feel sorry for you because you have to tell every one that it is a bad idea.


I feel sorry for people who feel sorry for people who think bad ideas!
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: LOT 737-300 on November 19, 2007, 03:02:22 am
I like the idea of airlines leasing out gates, but it must be gates they own, not the ones they rent, so they have to build their own terminal if they would wish to do that. But I don't like hte idea of people hogging gates so they can sell them at higher values.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: andylawrence on November 19, 2007, 03:23:50 am
Quote from: "LOT 737-300"
I like the idea of airlines leasing out gates, but it must be gates they own, not the ones they rent, so they have to build their own terminal if they would wish to do that. But I don't like hte idea of people hogging gates so they can sell them at higher values.


In theory this sounds ok, but then someone will build 500 gates at CDG or LHR and have 3 flights and try to rent the rest out.  He will in effect become a gate Czar.  Not so good.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: dktc on November 19, 2007, 03:31:20 am
Quote from: "andylawrence"
Quote from: "LOT 737-300"
I like the idea of airlines leasing out gates, but it must be gates they own, not the ones they rent, so they have to build their own terminal if they would wish to do that. But I don't like hte idea of people hogging gates so they can sell them at higher values.


In theory this sounds ok, but then someone will build 500 gates at CDG or LHR and have 3 flights and try to rent the rest out.  He will in effect become a gate Czar.  Not so good.


Not to mention a whole lot more competition would rush in.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: LOT 737-300 on November 19, 2007, 05:18:25 am
Quote from: "andylawrence"
Quote from: "LOT 737-300"
I like the idea of airlines leasing out gates, but it must be gates they own, not the ones they rent, so they have to build their own terminal if they would wish to do that. But I don't like hte idea of people hogging gates so they can sell them at higher values.


In theory this sounds ok, but then someone will build 500 gates at CDG or LHR and have 3 flights and try to rent the rest out.  He will in effect become a gate Czar.  Not so good.

Good point, perhaps the best way to counter this is to have a cieling of how many gates they can build. Perhaps the 100-110 gate range. Otherwise, the only reasonable solution I see to the "gate shortage" is multiworlds (in the works according to admin) or lowering that maxium amount of gates that a airline is allowed to rent, but I have a feeling even if that is done, many would still complain.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: dktc on November 19, 2007, 05:26:40 am
Quote from: "LOT 737-300"
Good point, perhaps the best way to counter this is to have a cieling of how many gates they can build. Perhaps the 100-110 gate range.


Sorry... i don't quite get the limiting range part :wink:

Say for those airports with 300 gates, in theory, a minimum of 12 players could be basing there, and build terminals there. Realistically, a lot more than 12 airlines would be basing in those airports. Let's just say 12 though for argument sake, it would provide 1200 built gates to the market. Say the airlines use 40 gates each themselves, there would still be 720 built + 300 rented gates = 1020 gates available. Do we really want that many gates? Next thing you know, people will be screaming murder because the competition would be so fierce that the game would remain unplayable.

If we assume players renting 10~15 gates, or even only 4 gates before building terminals, it would be even worse. As a result, that may not be feasible.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: Jps on November 19, 2007, 06:45:21 am
I never thought of this before  :lol:
Title: hi
Post by: eeikel on November 19, 2007, 03:46:48 pm
Why people should trade in airplanes and not in gates?
second if you buy 5 gates create a base and build a terminal
you should only beable to build gates and rent them out,
but the person who renting them should not beable to build a terminal in the tree structure
so they have the change to grow there airline but not to kill the game.

Could be a nice bussiness  extra extension for the game...
Title: Re: hi
Post by: dktc on November 19, 2007, 06:57:07 pm
Quote from: "eeikel"
Why people should trade in airplanes and not in gates?


Because people will gate hog early on in the round and rent a 50k gate for 50 mil!
Cheating will get worse.
Airplanes are unlimited and you could always choose to buy from the manufacturer.

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second if you buy 5 gates create a base and build a terminal


you rent 4 gates
 
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you should only beable to build gates and rent them out,


I said it is NON-NEGOTIABLE[/u]. And NO you shouldn't.

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but the person who renting them should not beable to build a terminal in the tree structure


Never said they would be able to

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so they have the change to grow there airline but not to kill the game.


It would kill the game because gates are hogged early on, and them leased for high rates.
The other end of the spectrum is that a route with 10 operators will have 100 operators under this model, which would drives the ticket price to 1, and no one would gain money. As a result, time is spent to code, but no positive results would be seen.

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Could be a nice bussiness  extra extension for the game...


Summing up the above, it would not be nice.




Personal comment: please read through and think about all the post in response to your first post before repeating it. I could tolerate other suggestions, even if I see issues in them and tear them apart, but this one... I will tell you, I will not let it waste the time of our developers. It is not feasible, and not realistic (as in relative to the game situation) at all. (I am not trying to be mean here, not am I attacking you personally, but this is a comment you need to keep in mind.)
Title: Re: hi
Post by: StephenM on November 19, 2007, 07:03:50 pm
Quote from: "eeikel"
you should only beable to build gates and rent them out,


Database design means this is not physically possible at the moment.
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on November 19, 2007, 07:07:20 pm
Hey, dktc, you should have a popup window open to the users when entering the forum telling them: "If you try to ask the question if you could rent gates to others or if we could have more gates in the game you will be banned from the forum AND from the game". Then we will probably get the gates we need  :lol: (Yeah, I know some use popup blockers - therefore I wrote this on purpose :wink: )
Title: Gates leasing
Post by: LOT 737-300 on November 19, 2007, 07:11:01 pm
Quote from: "dktc"
Quote from: "LOT 737-300"
Good point, perhaps the best way to counter this is to have a cieling of how many gates they can build. Perhaps the 100-110 gate range.


Sorry... i don't quite get the limiting range part :wink:

Say for those airports with 300 gates, in theory, a minimum of 12 players could be basing there, and build terminals there. Realistically, a lot more than 12 airlines would be basing in those airports. Let's just say 12 though for argument sake, it would provide 1200 built gates to the market. Say the airlines use 40 gates each themselves, there would still be 720 built + 300 rented gates = 1020 gates available. Do we really want that many gates? Next thing you know, people will be screaming murder because the competition would be so fierce that the game would remain unplayable.

If we assume players renting 10~15 gates, or even only 4 gates before building terminals, it would be even worse. As a result, that may not be feasible.

I guess I can agree with you there. Not a great idea to start with, Now that I think about it, the game in my opinion is good without this idea. Hopefully, multiworlds will fix this.