Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Blue Sky Mine on October 23, 2007, 11:32:05 pm
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Is the Comet going to be grounded in AM? Or can I buy it without hesitation?
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It is not going to be grounded.
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Is the Comet going to be grounded in AM? Or can I buy it without hesitation?
I don't think it will be. If that was the case, we'd also have the DC-10 being grounded in 1977 (or whatever year AA 191 crashed). The game dosn't seem to take crashes into consideration, so I highly doubt we'll see anything like a mass grounding.
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i'm gonnna buy a few
but as soon as the 707 etc come into play its game on
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Is the Comet going to be grounded in AM? Or can I buy it without hesitation?
I don't think it will be. If that was the case, we'd also have the DC-10 being grounded in 1977 (or whatever year AA 191 crashed). The game dosn't seem to take crashes into consideration, so I highly doubt we'll see anything like a mass grounding.
May 25th 1979......
I got evacuated from school, I was in 3rd grade in Elk Grove Village. We were getting out of school, and they rounded all of us kids up and took us to the Police/Fire Station and made our parents come and get us. The aircraft actually went down in Des Plaines, just off the north end of O'Hare. It was a big empty field and a mobile home park then. Elk Grove Village is just east of there.
FWIW, the DC-6B was grounded in 1947 for a series of mysterious in-flight fires. One of these was United 608.
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Anyone have an idea on the cost?
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Anyone have an idea on the cost?
real cost was something like 7 million pound, but 1950ies pounds versus 200x euro, dont know how that would add up, assuming the game deals prices in current euros
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Anyone have an idea on the cost?
Well, a lot!
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WootWoot, Wotan Valhalla Airlines now has reached the Jet age...
But the fuel burn is outrageous :evil:
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As in real life! Early jets were anything but efficient. 4x turbojets burns lots of fuel.
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Wonder who can put "First to fly the Comet" in their slogan :)
Mine has ID 25301, ordered 3 minutes into the new year :D
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User ID: 4798
has the first ordered comet of anyone. Actually, the first 6 comets of anyone. no idea how close to the month change it was though.
Scand. you were third.
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Is the Comet 1's speed gimped to 390mph for game balance reasons?
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was thinking the same thing.....should be 475mph cruise speed:
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/exhibitions/comet/comet9.cfm
max speed is 490
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I'm curious about the comet's performance... it has about 2 1/2 times better fuel economy than the Avro Jetliner (587 or so vs. 1581), but it's 110 mph slower. It also costs 18 mil compared to 34 mil for a Jetliner. Something's fishy - why is it like that?
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also currious the comet numbers look wrong i show for the avro C102 pax 50 range 1,250 speed 429 and for the comet mk 1 pax 44 ,range 1745, speed 489.
in airline mogul the comet is barely faster than the piston Constellation (speed 360, comet 390), something not quite right there
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i can't believe so many of you are worried about fuel efficiency?
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i can't believe so many of you are worried about fuel efficiency?
Fuel is money, less fuel, more money :)
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The oil embargo is coming + we care about the environment and want to forestall global warming, and deprive Al Gore of his Nobel prize in the future!
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The oil embargo is coming + we care about the environment and want to forestall global warming, and deprive Al Gore of his Nobel prize in the future!
(1951 mode on)
Global warming? Wasn't that a superman villan stragety to take over the earth? Who is this Al Gore you speak of, was he some kind of revolutionary in Europe? Oil Embargo? We'll always have cheap oil, bigger and more powerful is always better!
(1951 mode off)
I don't know why the comet's stats are the way they are compared to the C102, but I'm not getting any of those soon, unless they're real cheap. It's gonna be more M 4-0-4s for the next few months for me!
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*I wish I could lease a comet from DEX* :P
*edited by dktc: No advertisement for aircraft sales/leases please. Those should go into the Aircraft A-Z thread*
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so is there no action planned for correcting this rather large error in the Comet's performance? being off by 100mph is quite significant.....
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so is there no action planned for correcting this rather large error in the Comet's performance? being off by 100mph is quite significant.....
i need a good source for it, the two i've found so far say that the mk 1 went 450mph~ are you sure it's the comet that is off?... again. a good source is needed for a reasonable correction, or else we're just going from one flaw to a new one (which at times is the best we can do... but still, i think this one isn't one of those times).
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Did you look it up in these sources?
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/jetliner/comet/
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/chasingthesun/planes/comet.html
http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Aircraft/Comet.asp
I'll also take a look into some old aviation books where the Comet might be listed...
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I've quickly searched up some numbers.
It seems that the comet 1 did go approx 450mph (not sure how many knots that is right now), even though later varients did go over 500 mph. I guess that we should state there was a difference between Cruise Speed and max speed. Usually Cruise speed is what's the most efficient for the plane to fly at, as well as what produces the best fuel burn, whereas max speed is just the plane going as fast as it can before the design dosn't allow it to go any faster or it starts breaking apart.
Here are the two sources:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/8803/comet.htm
http://www.dlyoung.freeserve.co.uk/DH106/COMET.htm
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Of course if speed increases, available seat miles increase too. Is price going to go up and people get charged retroactively?
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i can't believe so many of you are worried about fuel efficiency?
Have you looked at your fuel costs in your financial statements?
Just making numbers up, but if you have two similar planes and the "smaller" one puts 90% of the seats in the air for 50% of the fuel cost you should come out ahead in the long run.
Once you start factoring in speed, turn time, and total number of miles possible in 24 hours that changes some but it's still not something you can just ignore.
An expensive plane with a low number of seats and a huge fuel load may not be your best option (no matter how fast it is) when planes carrying twice the passengers at half the fuel load at 60% of the speed for less purchase cost are available.
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i can't believe so many of you are worried about fuel efficiency?
Have you looked at your fuel costs in your financial statements?
Just making numbers up, but if you have two similar planes and the "smaller" one puts 90% of the seats in the air for 50% of the fuel cost you should come out ahead in the long run.
Once you start factoring in speed, turn time, and total number of miles possible in 24 hours that changes some but it's still not something you can just ignore.
An expensive plane with a low number of seats and a huge fuel load may not be your best option (no matter how fast it is) when planes carrying twice the passengers at half the fuel load at 60% of the speed for less purchase cost are available.
If I recall, I think Stephen said that gas prices are variable for each year. So since this was the 1950s, gas was probebly some 10-20 cents per gallon. If a plane has a fast speed, and a high fuel burn, it might actually benefit the airline, but only if it has a higher amount of seats, you have to remember that the script is written to give faster planes a first dib on pax, so they can hit 100% much easier than lets say a airline with half the speed. But you are right that watching the numbers is a smart idea. Just try to factor in speed, seats and fuelburn (you might find it's actually cheaper than the smaller ones on longer trips). I should also state that when you put a new plane on a route, you might get a higher profit if you charge higher than everyone else, depending on what planes are being used on that route. I have a few routes where I entered in a bit later than everyone else and because I had a faster plane, or one with less seats, it gave me the capability to charge higher fares, unlike the blue game, where all planes ere treated the same, so a Beach 1900D might actually steal over 1000 seats from everyone, unlike here, where it comes down to more factors.
-Just my two cents on fuel burn and how to think out the price.
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i can't believe so many of you are worried about fuel efficiency?
Have you looked at your fuel costs in your financial statements?
Just making numbers up, but if you have two similar planes and the "smaller" one puts 90% of the seats in the air for 50% of the fuel cost you should come out ahead in the long run.
Once you start factoring in speed, turn time, and total number of miles possible in 24 hours that changes some but it's still not something you can just ignore.
An expensive plane with a low number of seats and a huge fuel load may not be your best option (no matter how fast it is) when planes carrying twice the passengers at half the fuel load at 60% of the speed for less purchase cost are available.
If I recall, I think Stephen said that gas prices are variable for each year. So since this was the 1950s, gas was probebly some 10-20 cents per gallon. If a plane has a fast speed, and a high fuel burn, it might actually benefit the airline, but only if it has a higher amount of seats, you have to remember that the script is written to give faster planes a first dib on pax, so they can hit 100% much easier than lets say a airline with half the speed. But you are right that watching the numbers is a smart idea. Just try to factor in speed, seats and fuelburn (you might find it's actually cheaper than the smaller ones on longer trips). I should also state that when you put a new plane on a route, you might get a higher profit if you charge higher than everyone else, depending on what planes are being used on that route. I have a few routes where I entered in a bit later than everyone else and because I had a faster plane, or one with less seats, it gave me the capability to charge higher fares, unlike the blue game, where all planes ere treated the same, so a Beach 1900D might actually steal over 1000 seats from everyone, unlike here, where it comes down to more factors.
-Just my two cents on fuel burn and how to think out the price.
fuel costs are converted to 2006 euros (adjusted for inflation, and the game's set exchange rate).
in 1950 the costs were €0.501/gallon; 1951 they are €0.468. they do vary on a yearly basis, at some point i'd like to get that down to monthly (within relatively set ranges), but that is a low... low... low priority at the moment. no i won't tell the explicite rate for every year, and there's no real need to make it public at the moment as there is no fuel hedging and the principles of lower fuel burn per mile = lower fuel costs tend to hold true across the board, no matter what price the fuel is.
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Do the links help you or are they just plain (no pun intended) crap?
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Do the links help you or are they just plain (no pun intended) crap?
links help, thanks. i'm going to consult with dex shortly as to what changes should be made and when. i think the fuel usage may have been calculated under an earlier older formula which may explain the difference. that is likely to change (if at all) only between ages, but who knows. as i said, consulting with dex later today or tomorrow.
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Do the links help you or are they just plain (no pun intended) crap?
links help, thanks. i'm going to consult with dex shortly as to what changes should be made and when. i think the fuel usage may have been calculated under an earlier older formula which may explain the difference. that is likely to change (if at all) only between ages, but who knows. as i said, consulting with dex later today or tomorrow.
Grrr....Why me?
Ask the ADO (the former or the new). I didn't add the Comet. (At least I don't think I added it because I don't even have the data on my spreadsheet. Hopefully I didn't accidentally deleted it :roll: )
Now I need the airport submit page.... :roll: