Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Blue Sky Mine on October 23, 2007, 07:04:49 pm
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Blue Sky Mine on October 23, 2007, 07:04:49 pm
I don't get it, why are the Martin 4-0-4 and the Lockheed Super Constellation so popular on AM? I mean, the Martin 2-0-2 has a longer range for a small surcharge on the price of the 4-0-4. And with the super connie: For its price you could get a plane with nearly the same range and 60 more seats or you could buy a DC6b for 20 mio. less. Why is that plane so popular than?
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Scandalian Airlines on October 23, 2007, 08:27:13 pm
Because the Connie is a gorgeous looking plane that no fleet can be without :D
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: ALFC on October 23, 2007, 08:40:25 pm
Quote from: "Scandalian Airlines"
Because the Connie is a gorgeous looking plane that no fleet can be without :D
i am doing ok without it
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: KampfHase on October 23, 2007, 08:46:20 pm
Must be the faster cruise speed of the Martin 4-0-4. Most new founded airlines don't need extra range, but more speed, espacially in Europe. So they can fly short routes, but more frequencies.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Blue Sky Mine on October 23, 2007, 10:56:32 pm
Quote from: "KampfHase"
Must be the faster cruise speed of the Martin 4-0-4. Most new founded airlines don't need extra range, but more speed, espacially in Europe. So they can fly short routes, but more frequencies.
Connie also has more speed than RV6. But would you prefer +60 seats or a faster speed?
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: LOT 737-300 on October 23, 2007, 11:00:52 pm
Well, I can say that the M 4-0-4 is popular due to the fact that it has more speed. Most of my routes probebly will not over-run the 1000nm mark till much later. So the M 4-0-4 is a godsend. As for 60 seats vs more range? Depends on what needs the airline needs, along with other factors (crew, fuel burn, range.)
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Blue Sky Mine on October 23, 2007, 11:03:01 pm
Strange thing is, fuel burn on Connie is higher (unrealistic?)
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: LOT 737-300 on October 23, 2007, 11:34:47 pm
Quote from: "Blue Sky Mine"
Strange thing is, fuel burn on Connie is higher (unrealistic?)
I just had a looksee, since the Connie goes 380, it'll naturally have the higher fuel burn of the 2 (DC-6 and Connie.) Just like slower planes have slower fuel burns. I'd myself buy the plane because of the higher speed, that quickly makes up for the higher fuel burn (remember, thats unit (I'm assuming gallons) per hour.)
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: ALFC on October 24, 2007, 12:19:34 am
cost per seat on a mission of x length , considereing all factors:
0-500 bellanca aircruiser 500-1000 martin 404 1000-1500 martin 202 1500-3000 curtis cw-20 3000-4000 dc-4-1009 4000+ R6V
it does however not consider what the competition does, hence a good bunch of these planes will NOT be the best when competition comes along
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Max2147 on October 24, 2007, 12:26:28 am
Quote from: "Blue Sky Mine"
Strange thing is, fuel burn on Connie is higher (unrealistic?)
The Connie wasn't the most economic aircraft out there by a long shot. It was fast and luxurious, but that's it.
It was also notoriously unreliable - it was referred to as "The Finest 3-engine Airliner in the World". Too bad reliabilty isn't a factor in AM yet.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Max2147 on October 24, 2007, 12:28:01 am
Quote from: "ALFC"
cost per seat on a mission of x length , considereing all factors:
0-500 bellanca aircruiser 500-1000 martin 404 1000-1500 martin 202 1500-3000 curtis cw-20 3000-4000 dc-4-1009 4000+ R6V
it does however not consider what the competition does, hence a good bunch of these planes will NOT be the best when competition comes along
It also doesn't take into account the plane's speed, which is where the Martin 4-0-4 and the Connie really come into their own. More speed = more routes per plane, which means that you don't have to buy as many planes.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: LOT 737-300 on October 24, 2007, 12:28:48 am
Quote from: "Max2147"
Quote from: "Blue Sky Mine"
Strange thing is, fuel burn on Connie is higher (unrealistic?)
The Connie wasn't the most economic aircraft out there by a long shot. It was fast and luxurious, but that's it.
It was also notoriously unreliable - it was referred to as "The Finest 3-engine Airliner in the World". Too bad reliabilty isn't a factor in AM yet.
I seem to remember seeing something about hte connie's bad rep in the film "The Aviator." I think that there was one that crashed and TWA was forced to ground them for the investigation I think.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Max2147 on October 24, 2007, 12:30:53 am
Quote from: "LOT 737-300"
Quote from: "Max2147"
Quote from: "Blue Sky Mine"
Strange thing is, fuel burn on Connie is higher (unrealistic?)
The Connie wasn't the most economic aircraft out there by a long shot. It was fast and luxurious, but that's it.
It was also notoriously unreliable - it was referred to as "The Finest 3-engine Airliner in the World". Too bad reliabilty isn't a factor in AM yet.
I seem to remember seeing something about hte connie's bad rep in the film "The Aviator." I think that there was one that crashed and TWA was forced to ground them for the investigation I think.
Early in its career it had an unfortunate tendency to burst into flames mid-flight. It was grounded until the problem was fixed.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: ALFC on October 24, 2007, 12:50:49 am
Quote from: "Max2147"
It also doesn't take into account the plane's speed, which is where the Martin 4-0-4 and the Connie really come into their own. More speed = more routes per plane, which means that you don't have to buy as many planes.
your statement is nothing but an assumption, as i have NOT given the exact formula used. i precisely stated what was taken into account, i have not excluded speed.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: LOT 737-300 on October 24, 2007, 02:38:40 am
My opinion is that every airline has differnt needs, and with that, fleet choices are going to be very different. In terms of cost per seat, I guess you can say ALFC's list is accurate, but there are also other things to consider, such as if the plane can operate under certain capacities and so on.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Max2147 on October 24, 2007, 03:09:12 am
Quote from: "ALFC"
Quote from: "Max2147"
It also doesn't take into account the plane's speed, which is where the Martin 4-0-4 and the Connie really come into their own. More speed = more routes per plane, which means that you don't have to buy as many planes.
your statement is nothing but an assumption, as i have NOT given the exact formula used. i precisely stated what was taken into account, i have not excluded speed.
Your calculation is about cost, and I'm not talking about cost. I'm talking about income.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: nofrills on October 24, 2007, 04:21:09 am
You can't ignore cost. An airline with higher income/cost will expand faster and eat you alive in the critical early stage of the game, and since the expansion is exponential (unlike in rl) you'll be done for, if you're based in the same city. There are aircrafts, for a given range requirement, has the best capacity, then there are ones with best capacity per cost.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Pacific on October 24, 2007, 05:14:26 am
Constellations can do roundtrips or 2x 0.5s across the pond.
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Blue Sky Mine on October 24, 2007, 12:01:04 pm
Quote from: "Pacific"
Constellations can do roundtrips or 2x 0.5s across the pond.
That is a reason indeed...
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: Jps on October 24, 2007, 12:01:47 pm
Breda-Zappata BZ-308's too!
Title: Most bought aircraft
Post by: x5airways on October 25, 2007, 09:55:20 am
Quote from: "Blue Sky Mine"
Quote from: "KampfHase"
Must be the faster cruise speed of the Martin 4-0-4. Most new founded airlines don't need extra range, but more speed, espacially in Europe. So they can fly short routes, but more frequencies.
Connie also has more speed than RV6. But would you prefer +60 seats or a faster speed?
obviously more speed, because it won't really make much difference - you will have better seat/mile cost but then since you have more seats you will have to lower your fares to accommodate the higher capacity, so Connie would be much better than RV6. specially that it will help you compete on long haul