Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: AirSqr on October 22, 2007, 05:32:04 pm
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Hi,
I just bought my first DC4-1009 and established a 4000nm route between two 10+ million cities. However, although I am the sole operator on that line the people don't want to pay for the ticket anymore than the people on a 1500nm route that has already a heap of other operators.
Is longhaul just a bad idea in 1950s? Is longhaul just a bad idea with a DC4-1009? Is longhaul just a bad idea in Airline Mogul?
Cheers,
-olli
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Longhaul used to be very, very profitable last age. However you don't get the most profit out of a plane when it is flying on the edge of its range (that counts especially for longhaul).
There ain't too many planes suitable for middle/longhaul. The DC4 is one of them but it isn't very profitable on the longhaul sector, it makes more money on continental flights. For longhaul I would recommend a Lockheed R6v, a Super Connie, a DC6(b) or a Stratocruiser.
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Longhaul used to be very, very profitable last age. However you don't get the most profit out of a plane when it is flying on the edge of its range (that counts especially for longhaul).
There ain't too many planes suitable for middle/longhaul. The DC4 is one of them but it isn't very profitable on the longhaul sector, it makes more money on continental flights. For longhaul I would recommend a Lockheed R6v, a Super Connie, a DC6(b) or a Stratocruiser.
I test flew a 777-300ER in the last age and found longhaul to be atrocious.
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I guess it also depends on long-haul destinations. For me, routes like PIT-LHR/CDG/NRT and even SYD with the 772LR were huge money makers for me, while some other routes not so much. So I think it also depends on the type of your destination (i.e. amount of traffic to anticipate between city pairs).
As for me this round, I just launched PIT-LHR with a DC4, which actually makes a nice buck at 165k Euros. That is only until I gues some Lockheed Constitutions and Super Constellations. They have a range of over 5,300 nm. I should be able to use them on routes like MCO-TLV and the like. I might turn to Boeing for the very long-haul flying. What kind of range do the 707s get? I plan on turning both PIT and MCO into European gateways, with some flights to the Caribbean and Latin America out of MCO. I will look to another market, perhaps IAH for some South American routes. I don't think I'll be getting to Asia this round...
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From my experience, the cheaper a plane you could get to fly on a route, the better the return is on the investment. It is not worth it to fly a B777 if you could fly the route with a B737. I would assume it is the same this round, only the planes changed.
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Well, it's how much you pay per seat. Of course an inner-european 772 wouln't have made as much profit as a 735-ER. But if you compared flights say from Paris to New York, the 772 would have had the bigger advantage because it could transport a whole frequency of roundabout 350 pax while the 735ER could only do a 0.5 freq with 140 pax.
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I made much more money in long haul doing secondary origins to primary destinations.
If you want to do primary to primary, you absolutely need to get on them early. As everyone gets long-hauls the yields trash out. Everyone wants JFK-LHR, not everyone wants PIT-LHR......
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I used to make nearly €300000 every day with my 77W which was placed on long haul routes.
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What planes this round will be exceeding the range of the current long-haul aircraft available?
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I used to make nearly €300000 every day with my 77W which was placed on long haul routes.
Trouble is, I managed to exceed €1 million with 2-3 Dash-8s which cost €2.9mill a pop, thus my 773ER comment.
The first 707 in this game appears to be the Boeing 720 (inaccurate but hey, it's a game) and it has a range of approx 3,900mi according to some figures.
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:D Dash-8-300's earned me 600.000 daily
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would a DC-6 or DC-6B be a good choice for long-haul?
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I hear many good things about the L1049, its good for most of the routes it flies on.
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I hear many good things about the L1049, its good for most of the routes it flies on.
It's heard but overall, the R6V = better option.
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Hmm, well I just ordered a Connie, hopefully, it'll perform well for me. I might order a R6V to evaluate when my funds are back up to a higher level, as I've noticed that one is also highly popular but I havn't talked with anyone who owned one yet, but it also looks good with 168 seats.
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But delivery time is 48 days :?
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Dosn't bother me, the thing by looking at the capacity is about the size of a 737-400 or -300, which I recall did take that long when I ordered one new last round. So no problem there for me.
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I prefer the Connie :D
It's faster so with the Connie I'm able to do a frequency 1 EIN-JFK run and with R6V I probably wont be able to :wink:
Apart from that the R6V is very very very ugly and the Connie has got to be one of the most beautiful aircraft this world has ever seen :D