Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: sutrak on October 11, 2007, 05:14:51 pm
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I would like to ask why some airlines already have more than 1 aircrafts(Like ID 5025 have 2)? How do they get it? Any strategy?
Thank you~
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I and the other brokers have multiple planes because we are brokers and we recive planes as scrap when another airline scraps a plane. But the disadvantage is I'm -3,000,000 in the hole right now because we have no choice but to pay the scrap value for the planes.
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so ID 5025, "THAI @ LHR" is a broker?
If yes, where is the list of brokers?
Thanks alot
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im guessing thai sold one aircraft to his other account
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/view_airline.php?id=5037
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no he is not. I don't know about that.
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so ID 5025, "THAI @ LHR" is a broker?
Nope. Just has 2 planes (Could be an issue)
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If I remember correctly, there was a lowest price threshold for selling aircraft. I recall it being at least 50% or higher. A DC-3 at 50% value is still worth €1.9m. You cannot buy that with just €500,000!
Probably another Thai Airline fan, similar to the numerous incarnations of Cathay Pacific.
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Is that too many treaters in the game......?
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Is that too many treaters in the game......?
There are "cheaters", but I am not sure the above mentioned are...
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5044 have 7 leased in plane :roll:
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Is that too many treaters in the game......?
There are "cheaters", but I am not sure the above mentioned are...
Well, if you look at Thai@LHR's routes I'd like to know your definition for him if not "cheater"!
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You 'can' lease the DC-3 from older accounts that you not use anymore.
So if any day for any reason you got bankrupted and registered again to have another chance with another company, in this round, as you can not manage more than one account, you choose one and use the others to lease their initial aircrafts to you.
A suggestion... some accounts must be closed if there is no login or any change in a determined period of time.
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You 'can' lease the DC-3 from older accounts that you not use anymore.
So if any day for any reason you got bankrupted and registered again to have another chance with another company, in this round, as you can not manage more than one account, you choose one and use the others to lease their initial aircrafts to you.
A suggestion... some accounts must be closed if there is no login or any change in a determined period of time.
But that would be cheating, and if you lease a plane from that initial airline it's actrually still running, right? Even though it does not fly it has operational revs in the form of lease money, and that should result in a ban for multiple accounts. And starting bogus companies that go bankrupt instantly in order to get cheap aircraft (especially while the game is in wait mode) should lead to a permanent ban IMO.
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I'm not going to accuse anyone of cheating, but I will concede that every game has cheaters (don't get me started on pre-Punkbuster BF1942!) and I'm sure we have some here as well, if not now, then later. Fine. It will happen. The mods will do their best to weed them out.
Me? I'm going to play and have fun. The last age was short for me, but I think I met some decent 'owners' in competition and in the forum. I consider you friends and look forward to the new game. If you guys see something shady, pm the mods and let them deal with it. Lets not gnash our teeth here. Game on!
Have FUN!!!!!!!
:D :D :D
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You 'can' lease the DC-3 from older accounts that you not use anymore.
So if any day for any reason you got bankrupted and registered again to have another chance with another company, in this round, as you can not manage more than one account, you choose one and use the others to lease their initial aircrafts to you.
A suggestion... some accounts must be closed if there is no login or any change in a determined period of time.
That would be cheating to creat accounts and give away super cheap leases.
I mean, it would be kind of obvious too, especially if it's a new airline with only one plane that suddenly leases a plane for $1000 or even $5000. It makes no sense as they won't be making enough money from that to even purchase a new plane for a long time. A route that isn't even full will bring in more money than that in a day. The cheapest plane right now is 1.1 million. That means it would take 220 real time days at $5000 a month to get enough money to purchase another plane.
Even so, two accounts on the same IP that are leasing planes to each other should be a sign of cheating.
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Beat this.
Lease Rate: €1
Airline Leased from: The Lease
Time Left on Contract: 99999 Months
I'm keeping a close eye on the lease market for any more good deals.
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I would have investigate all the accounts mentioned... only if I could access the game as broker and admin at the same time. I am not going to let all the scraps fly by and work my behind off :P
oh.. and by " I am not sure", I mean I am not sure either ways. They could be cheating or they could be not. I didn't have time to look, and now I don't have the means to look. :D
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I didn't have time to look, and now I don't have the means to look. :D
So useful, as always. :wink:
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Isn't it a bit unfair that brokers can get cheaper planes than the rest of us?
I understand the idea behind the brokers - they get the cheap planes which means lower prices for the rest of us. All well and good.
But right now one broker owns 3 planes while every single other airline in the game only owns 1. Looking at his route network it's pretty clear that he's using all 3 for his own airline. Maybe I'm confused, but I didn't think that the brokerage system was set up to give official brokers an unfair advantage over the rest of us.
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Isn't it a bit unfair that brokers can get cheaper planes than the rest of us?
I understand the idea behind the brokers - they get the cheap planes which means lower prices for the rest of us. All well and good.
But right now one broker owns 3 planes while every single other airline in the game only owns 1. Looking at his route network it's pretty clear that he's using all 3 for his own airline. Maybe I'm confused, but I didn't think that the brokerage system was set up to give official brokers an unfair advantage over the rest of us.
1. That broker is me.
2. I am useless so I need help :roll:
3. (the serious part) We as official brokers don't have a choice but to accept the scraps. The computer throws them at us. You are screaming unfair now at the beginning of the round because we get "good" planes. Have you thought about a week ago, when we were receiving all those Do228's and Short 360's? Would you call that an advantage?
4. I am using all 3 planes so I could get a good start then provide services to you all as quickly as possible. If I start out good, you get the planes cheaper and earlier. If I start out bad, you wouldn't see any plane from me until the middle of the round. This has been debated over and over in the closed beta topic. MrOrange and myself spent more than a month to convince Air Elbonia about that.
5. There are pros and cons of being an official broker. Just let us have a week or so of advantages, then we will go back to the losing value and money because we get you a plane model, k?
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At the first reset, I leased all the aircrafts from older accounts. I am not doing this now and would like to close these older accounts and do not scrap the aircrafts... how can I do this? (I can take a look at the account numbers if necessary)
Now I am #5022 with only one DC-3.
:wink:
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At the first reset, I leased all the aircrafts from older accounts. I am not doing this now and would like to close these older accounts and do not scrap the aircrafts... how can I do this? (I can take a look at the account numbers if necessary)
Now I am #5022 with only one DC-3.
:wink:
PM Daniel Doorgakant or email him at daniel.doorgakant@airlinemogul.com .
State your request, you player's ids and your email addresses.
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Isn't it a bit unfair that brokers can get cheaper planes than the rest of us?
I understand the idea behind the brokers - they get the cheap planes which means lower prices for the rest of us. All well and good.
But right now one broker owns 3 planes while every single other airline in the game only owns 1. Looking at his route network it's pretty clear that he's using all 3 for his own airline. Maybe I'm confused, but I didn't think that the brokerage system was set up to give official brokers an unfair advantage over the rest of us.
1. That broker is me.
2. I am useless so I need help :roll:
3. (the serious part) We as official brokers don't have a choice but to accept the scraps. The computer throws them at us. You are screaming unfair now at the beginning of the round because we get "good" planes. Have you thought about a week ago, when we were receiving all those Do228's and Short 360's? Would you call that an advantage?
4. I am using all 3 planes so I could get a good start then provide services to you all as quickly as possible. If I start out good, you get the planes cheaper and earlier. If I start out bad, you wouldn't see any plane from me until the middle of the round. This has been debated over and over in the closed beta topic. MrOrange and myself spent more than a month to convince Air Elbonia about that.
5. There are pros and cons of being an official broker. Just let us have a week or so of advantages, then we will go back to the losing value and money because we get you a plane model, k?
1. I know, I just don't like mentioning names when I'm criticizing somebody
2. I know ;)
3. A cheap old Dornier may not be an advantage, but forgive me for not shedding a tear for you because the computer is throwing planes at you (your words). I guess I don't see the hardship of it, but I'm just an ignorant everyday player, so what do I know?
4. Okay, maybe for me it's fine - I don't think there are any brokers based in Central America, so I don't have to compete against them. But what about the guy who's about to get driven into the ground at DFW by a guy with 3 times as many planes as him to start? If I were him I'd be wishing that Air Elbonia hadn't been convinced.
5. I know there are two sides to being a broker - I've heard that many times on these forums. Maybe hearing about the downsides so often convinced me that brokers were more selfless than they actually are.
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PM Me or Dex/dktc in game or in here. We can take care of that for you, no problem.
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So what alternative would you suggest? Let's be constructive here.
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At the first reset, I leased all the aircrafts from older accounts. I am not doing this now and would like to close these older accounts and do not scrap the aircrafts... how can I do this? (I can take a look at the account numbers if necessary)
Now I am #5022 with only one DC-3.
:wink:
PM Daniel Doorgakant or email him at daniel.doorgakant@airlinemogul.com .
State your request, you player's ids and your email addresses.
THANK YOU!!
I will do that!
But I hope the aircrafts wont go to brokers. If I cant use the airplanes from useless accounts, no one should use, right?
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So what alternative would you suggest? Let's be constructive here.
Basically draw a clear line between official brokers' airlines and their brokerages.
That might involve seperate accounts - one "brokerage" account and one "airline" account. The brokerage gets the scrapped planes and also gets a lot more starting cash so they can get their sales/leasing arm going right away. However, that account can't run an airline. If the broker wants to they can also set up a normal airline through a different account (they would be exempted from the multiple account rule, provided that they play fair). It would be on the broker's honor to not give their airline unrealistic deals from their brokerage.
It would be a realistic addition to the game. In real life you don't see companies like ALFC or GECAS operating commercial flights. The increased starting cash for brokers would mirror the fact that the real-life brokers get their start through major capital investments, not by operating flights.
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In real life you don't see airlines sending new planes on market as well :wink:
We have just recently (and I mean the past 2 days) discussed having two accounts for official brokers in the closed beta thread. The thing is, one could always use one account to help another and no one would notice. Another thing is, if the brokerage account is not helped, it would not grow. Simple.
The "giving brokerage a lot of planes and $$" was also shot down (not by brokers this time). The problems with having a load of planes is that 1. the alliance would be the ones who benefits, 2. the game would proceed too fast because of additional planes and money, 3. it would be boring for the brokers (which interestingly, is not a point from the brokers :? ), 4. still may not be able to sustain because 3 days' DOP is about equal to 1 month's lease rate for the same plane, or maybe even more than the lease rate in some occasions.
Believe it or not, we have thought or quite a number of ways to deal with this "unfair" situation. We have gone through all the conventional methods, from the milds (not listed on ranking, 2 accounts), to the extremes (brokering only, and limit the brokering ability of normal airlines). We have not come up with a feasible idea.
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In real life you don't see airlines sending new planes on market as well :wink:
We have just recently (and I mean the past 2 days) discussed having two accounts for official brokers in the closed beta thread. The thing is, one could always use one account to help another and no one would notice. Another thing is, if the brokerage account is not helped, it would not grow. Simple.
The "giving brokerage a lot of planes and $$" was also shot down (not by brokers this time). The problems with having a load of planes is that 1. the alliance would be the ones who benefits, 2. the game would proceed too fast because of additional planes and money, 3. it would be boring for the brokers (which interestingly, is not a point from the brokers :? ), 4. still may not be able to sustain because 3 days' DOP is about equal to 1 month's lease rate for the same plane, or maybe even more than the lease rate in some occasions.
Well, you asked me for a constructive suggestion, so I gave you one. I guess I have a bit more faith in an honor system than others do, and I think a standalone brokerage could be profitable from the start (especially once the game is tweaked to put maintinence cost on the operating airline, not the lessor).
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It is not about the honor system really. It is more like "we die with honor" if you get my drift. :wink:
Our conclusion was that without the cash from airlines, the brokerage would not work well at all. It is a decision between honor and survival, and obviously, choosing only one wouldn't work.
A brokerage could be profitable. But the problem is that a brokerage would never be as profitable as an airline. In other words, the brokerage accounts would not be able to keep up with other airlines and there would be a very very very long waiting list due to cash flow problems of the brokerage.
Don't get me wrong, we welcome suggestions. It is just that we need some more creative, and workable and feasible ideas.
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It is not about the honor system really. It is more like "we die with honor" if you get my drift. :wink:
Our conclusion was that without the cash from airlines, the brokerage would not work well at all. It is a decision between honor and survival, and obviously, choosing only one wouldn't work.
A brokerage could be profitable. But the problem is that a brokerage would never be as profitable as an airline. In other words, the brokerage accounts would not be able to keep up with other airlines and there would be a very very very long waiting list due to cash flow problems of the brokerage.
Don't get me wrong, we welcome suggestions. It is just that we need some more creative, and workable and feasible ideas.
I guess I don't get your drift. I don't see a well-run brokerage with additional starting cash and the benefit of getting scrapped planes dying, with or without honor. Leases are a fantastic source of income - I found that out last round.
I guess what's bugging me most is that the problem of the unfair advantage on the airline side won't be fixed until those who have the power to fix it recognize it as a problem. Unfortunately, those who have the power to fix it are the ones benefitting from the problem.
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I don't benefit a lick from it. I'm not a game broker. I've designed entire systems for game brokers that i cannot even use along the way (a little batch lease tool for new aircraft).
I'm debating disabling the ability for brokers to receive scrapped aircraft before the age starts, and just have all scrapped aircraft disappear into the void. but it will not affect any scrapped aircraft to date. Brokers tend to be outpaced in the long run by airlines who actively maintain their route network, I've got ideas in my head for how to amend the broker system to reduce the need for the personal airlines but i cannot yet justify banning their ability to create routes and rent gates. I cannot see how, long term, they can keep up with the needs of the game (aircraft prices wise), nor can i see how a full age of not being able to create any routes would be particularly fun.
If only i could plug my brain into the code and update it all mentally... things would get done a lot faster then. it would be so nice.
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I don't benefit a lick from it. I'm not a game broker. I've designed entire systems for game brokers that i cannot even use along the way (a little batch lease tool for new aircraft).
I'm debating disabling the ability for brokers to receive scrapped aircraft before the age starts, and just have all scrapped aircraft disappear into the void. but it will not affect any scrapped aircraft to date. Brokers tend to be outpaced in the long run by airlines who actively maintain their route network, I've got ideas in my head for how to amend the broker system to reduce the need for the personal airlines but i cannot yet justify banning their ability to create routes and rent gates. I cannot see how, long term, they can keep up with the needs of the game (aircraft prices wise), nor can i see how a full age of not being able to create any routes would be particularly fun.
If only i could plug my brain into the code and update it all mentally... things would get done a lot faster then. it would be so nice.
I know you don't benefit from it, but DEX made it sound like the brokers had a pretty active role in deciding what the rules surrounding brokers would be.
As far as no routes being no fun, that's why I suggested letting the brokers run independent airlines as well. That way they can have the work (broker) and the play (airline), and still have it be fair for everybody.
I also like the idea of updating code mentally - I wish I could have done that when I was writing code! ;)
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all the used aircraft i purchasd from the brokers were at half price of value, i dont see a problem in the brokerage system as long as its played fair(eg brokers not giving majority of planes to alliance members)
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all the used aircraft i purchasd from the brokers were at half price of value, i dont see a problem in the brokerage system as long as its played fair(eg brokers not giving majority of planes to alliance members)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the brokerage system as a whole. I'm just criticizing the fact that the same privileges that let brokers sell you planes at half price also give them a big advantage in running their airlines.
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all the used aircraft i purchasd from the brokers were at half price of value, i dont see a problem in the brokerage system as long as its played fair(eg brokers not giving majority of planes to alliance members)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the brokerage system as a whole. I'm just criticizing the fact that the same privileges that let brokers sell you planes at half price also give them a big advantage in running their airlines.
if they are unable to make profit they wont survive, they need revenue for maintinance for the aircrafts they get from scraps, they need money to complete broker requests under 0%.
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all the used aircraft i purchasd from the brokers were at half price of value, i dont see a problem in the brokerage system as long as its played fair(eg brokers not giving majority of planes to alliance members)
Actually I don't think brokers should be in any alliance. Unless each alliance has their own broker. Total conflict of interest.
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all the used aircraft i purchasd from the brokers were at half price of value, i dont see a problem in the brokerage system as long as its played fair(eg brokers not giving majority of planes to alliance members)
Actually I don't think brokers should be in any alliance. Unless each alliance has their own broker. Total conflict of interest.
Why can't they? They just want to be in alliances like us.
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The logic is quite simple.
There are only what 3-4 brokers in the game? If they belong in some alliance, which isn't necesarry to be a broker anyway, the potential for favoritism is too high.
What happens is you end up with 60-80 airlines that have "special alliance" rates and everyone else is stuck with regular markdown rates. For brokers to be fair across the board for all airlines in the game they should remain independent.
Of course they can do whatever they want and sell at extreme markdown for their buddies but the totaly perverts the spirit of the game.
Surely they will say, "ya but we don't do that." But how do you know? Maybe at first it doesn't happen but then little by little it spirals our of control. So to avoid "potential" conflict of interests brokers should remain independent.
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Then why dont you join the alliance that brokers support?
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Then why dont you join the alliance that brokers support?
Because they are invitation only or only for their buddies.
& for some airlines alliances go against their operational philosophy.
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USG (for example) isnt invite only...
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USG (for example) isnt invite only...
What he meant to say was that it's restricted memberships, which requires approval of the members to join. If some people don't like the airline, they'll obviously vote no.
I don't think any broker is a member of an alliance with an open membership.
I also don't understand the points of alliances. Why allow other "alliance members" to steal upwards of 20 routes (per member!) from my own base when I should be doing them myself?
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^ yea.. but you can always connect to the alliance's forum
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USG (for example) isnt invite only...
What he meant to say was that it's restricted memberships, which requires approval of the members to join. If some people don't like the airline, they'll obviously vote no.
I don't think any broker is a member of an alliance with an open membership.
I also don't understand the points of alliances. Why allow other "alliance members" to steal upwards of 20 routes (per member!) from my own base when I should be doing them myself?
If you don't have the planes.
Last round I didn't own any longhaul aircraft. I would have been happy to allow an alliance member to operate longhauls out of my hubs since they were routes I wouldn't fly. In return I would have been able to operate the short-haul style flights I was used to out of their hubs.
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I didn't have time to look, and now I don't have the means to look. :D
So useful, as always. :wink:
Dude. Let it go.
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I also don't understand the points of alliances. Why allow other "alliance members" to steal upwards of 20 routes (per member!) from my own base when I should be doing them myself?
You could, not should be doing them yourself. Some routes are probably not in your interest, while other alliance members might find them useful because they provide connections to their hubs. Especially in this round, I can fly from Amsterdam to Jakarta using alliance hubs as transfer airports. The USG has a special forum for it, where people can reserve slots at other people's hubs to fly routes from it. We also discuss which routes are gonna be serviced, so we don't compete with each other. There's always some routes you're not gonna fly, but other people might. And in return, you obviously get to fly from other people's bases.
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Regarding profit from lease, as I have said, the lease income for 1 plane for 1 month could be easily realized with the same plane flying one routes for 3 days. That is an airline is 8 times more profitable than a brokerage. Is that an advantage?
Guys, stop believing the myth. Start looking at data. If you could make a profit out of a leased plane, the lessor is technically losing money that he/she could potentially make. And as I have said, don't compare us with someone leasing out a DC-3 for 2 million. None of the 4 of us would put out such a high rate.
As for brokers having say in the brokerage system, don't players have say concerning game features?
If it were up to Air Elbonia to decide on his own, at least 3 of us would have disappeared last round because of cash problems. :roll:
If you want to continue buying planes at 130% of the plane value, and lease planes at 1/3 their list price, I have no problem giving up the "privileges" we have. Those are for your benefits.
Restricted membership alliances only means that you need to apply at their forum / thread. Neither USG nor Openskies flavor players we know. In fact, I don't know any of my alliance partners in real life. That is 3 out of 4 brokers at least. I can't speak for Hampo because I have no idea how (or if) the alliance he is in works.
Another thing is that both MrOrange and Skylite have offered alliance partnership / affliation programs. I don't advertise mine, but if you ask, and you could potentially order a load of planes, I would provide the discount as well. This is not an "if" situation. I had provide brokers of 2 alliances, as well as several individual players, the discount last round. It is not like the alliance discounts are only available to our own members.
Oh, and yes, Juancho, you don't know. There are a lot of things we don't know. You may claim you like me, but we don't know. You may claim not to be cheating, but we don't know. You may claim to be a player, but we don't know if you are a troublemaker or a spy from another game. You may claim to be a mature man, but we don't know that either. So... does that mean you are an immature girl who doesn't like me and is seeking to destroy AM through cheating? :roll:
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I figured you wouldn't see any conflict of interest. That's fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
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I figured you wouldn't see any conflict of interest. That's fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
I see it clearly. Just that if that is taken away, the players would no longer get the benefit of cheap planes and old planes. (and no, this is not a threat)
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I see it clearly. Just that if that is taken away, the players would no longer get the benefit of cheap planes and old planes. (and no, this is not a threat)
Dude what are you talking about? So if brokers are not allowed to be in an alliance the entire broker system would implode? Really?! :lol:
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Dude what are you talking about? So if brokers are not allowed to be in an alliance the entire broker system would implode? Really?! :lol:
Nope. All I am saying is you pay more for planes. Simple.
Do you understand? $$$. Nope?
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I understand that brokerages probably wouldn't be able to compete for the #1 spot in airline value. But I humbly suggest that the brokerage system wasn't created in order to help the brokers become the most profitable airlines out there.
That's why I suggested letting brokers have sperate airline accounts, so they can compete on a level playing field and enjoy the cashflow advantages that DEX is talking about. One "brokerage" account to carry out the public service that brokerages give us, and one "airline" account where brokers can be selfish and cutthroat like the rest of us. Leave it up to the broker's honor to prevent him from using the brokerage to unfairly benefit his airline.
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That's fine with me. As long as brokers are not in any alliance and negotiate rates equally and fairly to all players across the board.
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I understand that brokerages probably wouldn't be able to compete for the #1 spot in airline value. But I humbly suggest that the brokerage system wasn't created in order to help the brokers become the most profitable airlines out there.
That's why I suggested letting brokers have sperate airline accounts, so they can compete on a level playing field and enjoy the cashflow advantages that DEX is talking about. One "brokerage" account to carry out the public service that brokerages give us, and one "airline" account where brokers can be selfish and cutthroat like the rest of us. Leave it up to the broker's honor to prevent him from using the brokerage to unfairly benefit his airline.
Except we rely heavily on our airlines DOP to subsidize our brokerage. I was devoting last round 160 million dollars a day of my airlines DOP to my brokerage. If we don't have our airlines DOP we can't run our brokerage.
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Except we rely heavily on our airlines DOP to subsidize our brokerage. I was devoting last round 160 million dollars a day of my airlines DOP to my brokerage. If we don't have our airlines DOP we can't run our brokerage.
If that's the case then this system is totally flawed from the get go.
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That's why I suggested letting brokers have sperate airline accounts, so they can compete on a level playing field and enjoy the cashflow advantages that DEX is talking about. One "brokerage" account to carry out the public service that brokerages give us, and one "airline" account where brokers can be selfish and cutthroat like the rest of us. Leave it up to the broker's honor to prevent him from using the brokerage to unfairly benefit his airline.
The thing is, from the experiences of all brokers, we think we would be doing it the other way round; using airline money to supplement the brokerage.
If that happens, it would not be fair to our airline accounts.
If that doesn't happen, the brokerage account would not be effiecient. We would be driven out of business.
If the brokerage accounts were given too much money at start, the game would grow too quickly because of the extra affordable planes.
Please take some time to digest this. It is exact opposite to what you all believe. The brokerage, as a whole, is not what float the boat. It is the cash from the airlines that make the brokerages work.
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Exactly without our airline our brokerage would not last long at all.
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Juancho, if you think there are so many flaws in this game, go elsewhere. No one forces you to be here.
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Juancho, if you think there are so many flaws in this game, go elsewhere. No one forces you to be here.
Nice! Instead of being open to ideas for improvement you tell people to take a hike. Very professional, especially from a moderator.
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Juancho, if you think there are so many flaws in this game, go elsewhere. No one forces you to be here.
Nice! Instead of being open to ideas for improvement you tell people to take a hike. Very professional, especially from a moderator.
Seeing that I don't get paid, and you are constantly complaining about the game and the quality of the administration, I don't see any reason for me to be professional. It is not like I am a social worker or a guest relation officer.
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It is not like I am a social worker or a guest relation officer.
You should. You would be great. No I'm not constantly complaining about the game. Over the months I've just raised issues with the 737-300ER and other weird aircraft, stupidly large signature banners and the conflict of interest with brokers playing too much of a role with alliances. That's it.
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So what if we pay to much of a role with an alliance. That is the advantage of having a broker in your alliance. You get special discounts. It is my decision if I want to give alliance members a special discount because they are allaicnce members.
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That is the advantage of having a broker in your alliance.
Actually its a FU to the rest of the alliances that don't have brokers. With only 4 brokers for 100 alliances and 2000 airlines? Then USG has 2 brokers, yeah! That's balance! :lol:
So what?! Rigged by design, that's what it is. What a farce.
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That is the advantage of having a broker in your alliance.
Actually its a FU to the rest of the alliances that don't have brokers. With only 4 brokers for 100 alliances and 2000 airlines? Then USG has 2 brokers, yeah! That's balance! :lol:
So what?! Rigged by design, that's what it is. What a farce.
Juancho, ever thought about the possibility that this might only be a GAME, no real place where you have to debate about fair chances? Why should every airline have an official broker, they are offering the planes cheap enough even without alliance discounts!
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That is the advantage of having a broker in your alliance.
Actually its a FU to the rest of the alliances that don't have brokers. With only 4 brokers for 100 alliances and 2000 airlines? Then USG has 2 brokers, yeah! That's balance! :lol:
So what?! Rigged by design, that's what it is. What a farce.
You don't have to be a broker to sell a plane for half price
You could sell planes for cheap to alliance members to. :roll:
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You just don't get it do you.
And he is right it is just a game. It isn't worth this much bickering.