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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: kfai on August 26, 2007, 08:17:08 am
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Locked.
Guys, see you all playing the game NEXT WEEK. You've all been banned. (the ones on that list, excluding Dora)
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CEO of Pacfic Blue, ID 302.
Senior Editor of AMM (Airline Mogul Magazine)
"The Night Watchman" (Big Pete)
2nd Most Southerly Member in the game.
barbarian. Y DORA could be excluded
forget it... Barbarian will not(or unable to) answer any question
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I just want to know why (excluding Dora)Let me tell you what happened in last 2months,
1 why I play this game, First I love create airline routes, second my friend recommended this game to me, who is my FD . Let me tell you the CEO of Doraemon Airlines(Antares Lau). Why so many gate in asia have been holded?Who do it first, do you have any record,Let me tell you again,At the end of (July), king's arm airlines and smart mo airlines created a base and developled the routes in Toyko (Haneda) very fast, the ceo of Doraemon airlines use (High Freq) methods to hold all of the remain gate in Toyko (Haneda). When I asked him why did he use this methods, he told me it can prevent his big amount profit in Toyko (Haneda) , you know Toyko (Haneda) is the most important country in Asia, the decision of DORAEMON Airline cause most of the important airlines company (his fd)in Asia also did the same thing in their bases. You have a power to ban my account, but I dont think Doraemon can be excluded in this event, as he used high freq methods to hold most of the gate in his base. The only different is, Doraemon have time to change his route and use up all of the gate in his base(make the huge profit and keep his chief position in Asia), but most of his fd like CEO of Tottoko Hamutarō Airline, Pacific Atlantic Airlines Royal Pacific Airlines need to work, havent enough time to construct their route, is it their fault ? did you give them enough time to free the gate, I know the ceo of Tottoko Hamutarō Airline have released the gates at Penang International yestaday, but you banned his account today, how can he have a choice to relases more gates in the other countries when he free?so if you think you should ban our account as we have ever hold the gates in Asia before, pls also banned the account of doraemon airlines. I hope my friend ceo of doraemon can understand why I type such of word of it. It is unfair for my members.
Dear MR admin , Let me tell you again, I have start my airlines in Xiamen, spare so much time to develop my airlines campany ,why you banned my account? (use 0.5 freq), so pls banned all airlines who ever used 0.5 freq.use high freq(more than10) between two cities? so pls tell me which city I have used this methods now, I dont think you can find any routes in my base which is use high freq, the only reason is may be I am too rich in the game .Also I dont think only my alliance member use high freq method to hold gate, why dont you ban all of them, the only reason is you discriminate our alliance member. Thanks a lot
China Xiamen
Mo Mo Rabbit Airlines.
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Mr admin you and my fd doraemon airlines is the members of united skygroup, so that's may be the answer why you dont ban him, I know , when you ban me and Kfai airline, your group United Sky group will be the first in the world, I will also make a phone call to my fd ceo of doraemon airlines and tell him he will be the first in Asia ,congratulations both of you. God bless MR Admin and my good fd ceo of doraemon airlines. He make a wise choice to join Mr admins's alliance rathan than K.M.F.
China Xiamen
Mo Mo Rabbit Airlines
ID 850
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what a nice ban HOLY admin, what have we done wrong? creating 0.5 freq? >10 freq? Who set the rules these are not allowed? i havent seen these rules while i took register~!
Check your records! who hold the most of the gates and did this first . Is DORAEMON airline our real friend, everyone in the list knows him. We just follow what he has done to your game.
Exclude DORAEMON? give me a acceptable reason if you are able to e_e"
You are the FIRST now, Congratulations! A Very Efficient way to get to the top.
Let me give you a suggestion! Ban everyone in the game, you would be the first forever, also the LAST of course!
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You banned me , that's good idea, I know you are afraid my airlines make more profit in future, Ceo of Doraemon airlines, one of the best FD of my university fd ceo of Mo Mo rabbit airlines, always blame me about occupy Tokyo Narita , he have send a warning letter to me about give back at least 5 gates in Tokyo Narita to him, Why I need to give the gates to him, Why he dont give the gates in Tokyo Haneda to the other, MR ADmin , your dear alliance member Doraemon Airlines always done such of thing, Why dont you ban him, I know, if United Sky Group lose this member(doraemon airline), their valuse will lose 1000 billions, HAHA ,you can do what you want now, banned my account , no one will interfer you and your dear alliance member Doraemon Airlines expand your airlines routes in Asia .
Ceo of royal pacific Airlines
Abe Cheung
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If your airline was banned, please email either of the 2 email address, as stated in the message! Its not the end of the world, we just want to get rid of the bugs. When the aircraft are removed you can be unbanned again. Its quite simple.
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Are the admins here are the supporter of communist?
They just ban us without saying any acceptable reasons!!!!
http://www.stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1546&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
As the above topic, you just state the reasons with only 3 sentences and the outdated information. Dont you think it is enough?
Hey the admin here please come out and say something!!!
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About the doraemon issue, why doraemon can be exempted from banning? He is the founder of holding gate as I said in my reply of the so called "first warning" email.
Admin, please tell me why??
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Admins, you want me to play the game as realistic as possible??
Is it kind of unrealistic to play a unrelaistic game as realistic as possible?
Have you ever seen a real airline have more than 300 A340?? If we want to be realistic, should we stop expanding? If we stop expanding why do we play this game???
Admin, come out and say something....dont hide plz.
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About the 0.5 freq and >10 freq. Do you understand this is a competition game? If we dont do it , my competitor will do it than i will lose!!!
In the beginning of the game, I started with only freq 1. You may check my first base, Ho Chi Minh city, there are still lots of freq 1 route.
After playing 2 weeks, I wonder why I develop so slow while other airline are much faster. I check their route I realize that it is because I only create freq 1 route. Other airline can make double profit from creating 0.5 route comparing with creating freq 1 route.
So what can I do? Contend on freq 1 route and to be a loser in this game? Than why should I play this game if I know I am loser already? You know I have no choice but to create 0.5 route.
I dont mean to shift the responsibility to the admin or the game founder here because of the fault on the formula. I know it is difficult to make a perfect one.
However, do the admin here try to understand our difficulty? why I have to create 0.5 freq?
About > 10 freq route. Again, my competitor in Osaka - Itami, doraemon airline, started to do it in Tokyo - Haneda. If I dont do it in advance and let him do it in Itami first than I will lose!!
Once again, do the admin here try to understand our difficulty??
I have replied to your "first warning" email, if you ask Doramoen Airline to stop doing it and I will stop doing it. However, where is your replay? Did you do anything related to this issue? I waited for your reply for 2 weeks than you just send me a "second warning" email WITHOU SAYING ANYTHING RELATED. Is it fair? or you just want to help your alliance member, Doraemon Airline.
Come on Admin, say something and DONT HIDE!!!
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Some small airline said we are dominating the route in Asia? I hope you guys can understand I was once a very small airline with bombardier only. Why I can grow because I AVOIDED COMPETITON WITH THOSE BIG ARILINE WHEN I WAS STILL SMALL!!
Why you guys tried to create a route with $1 less than those big airline route, but not to create a route in "non-occupied" one. If you were the big airline and see a small airline tried to attack your route, what will you do?
Of course to fight back.
CEO of Free Flying Airline
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It seems that something yet explained...
I know from the forum that even admins have different point of views towards 0.5 frequency. This makes me worried.
If they are banned because of 0.5 frequency, I think most of the airlines in the game are responsible too.
May be its time for admins to combine their thoughts and make a new game rule on this issue.
Without a clear explanation, I think the arguement will not end...
If banning account is the only solution, then ban mine too.
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If your airline was banned, please email either of the 2 email address, as stated in the message! Its not the end of the world, we just want to get rid of the bugs. When the aircraft are removed you can be unbanned again. Its quite simple.
Mr. Stephen, one of our dear adamins,
I'm afraid it is not the porblem of bugs, but the emotional action from another ADMIN dl-3508.
I understand there is a problem arised from B707 problem and you, Mr. Stephen, have to get rid of it. But please understand that we have just been banned with an improper way and without a rational reason. (That means, we don't have such planes and not affected by B707 issues)
In additional, this action made us feel that he is trying to use his power to protect his own/alliance's profit...
Thanks for trying to show us the way but our situation is not like that. You will be appreciated if you can help us figure it out.
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My appologies for not including the other reasons for recent bans. The situation will be looked into by Air Elbonia & myself and will be in contact via email in due course.
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I'm going to keep this short & sweet.
(Transcript from a google chat between Me & Will, 23rd August 2007)
5:13 PM air.elbonia: make it 71 gates at MSP
me: Spare?
5:14 PM air.elbonia: no
me: How many spare then?
air.elbonia: filling up the new one as we speak
define spare
me: Not used by anyone.
5:15 PM air.elbonia: aren't many of those, last i knew. (players that is)
5:16 PM me: The full gates?
(0 left)
air.elbonia: yeeeaaahhh... that will happen
me: The 250 gate airports though.
5:17 PM air.elbonia: that will still happen
i have, and properly use, 71 gates at msp (out of 300)
it would only take 4 active airlines there on my scale to fill it
me: I'm trying to catch the people who don't properly use the gates.
5:18 PM (i.e. the multiple 0.5's on the same route, the high frequency flights, etc...)
air.elbonia: all theroetically valid strategies
5:19 PM i suppose i'm a lot more laissez-faire about it
me: Stephen's had enough, I've had enough, Asia's had enough.
5:21 PM That's why we're cracking down.
air.elbonia: yeah
me: If you do not return these gates, and I have to give
another warning to you, you will be banned until a date
that we see fit.
That was my ending notice.
5:22 PM air.elbonia: there's a significant difference between kapellen, and people using multiple .5's though.
me: I've given them 13 days, so that's fair.
Have a look at Kings arm (for example)
5:23 PM http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=656
5:24 PM air.elbonia: yeah
me: (still being forced to use that because of my shoddy laptop)
air.elbonia: high frequency overlap
yeah
KAA is like kapellen
5:25 PM me: And KAA only returned 1 gate, out of a possible 200.
5:26 PM air.elbonia: again, i'm just saying. big difference between KAA and Dora
me: MMR: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=656
5:27 PM Not that... -smacks laptop-
http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=625
5:28 PM air.elbonia: yeah. MMR's not too bad in my opinion
5:29 PM me: KFAI also, same airport
5:31 PM MMR again http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=721
5:35 PM Dora: (this is just a small section)DDA132266 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132267 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132268 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132269 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
air.elbonia: yeah
me: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=143
It gets worse, the further you go through it.
5:37 PM PAA: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=506
air.elbonia: yeah
5:38 PM the block of high freq overlap, another kapellan
5:39 PM me: Of course, this is only a small sample of how bad it is.
Kapellen Airservice: ATH, BRE, FRA, KLX, LXS, JMK, NAP, CIA & FCO
King's Arm Airline: TKG, HLP, CGK, SEL & HND
Pacific Atlantic Airline: DEL & MES
Flower Family: HZG, LYA, ENY & XIY
KFAI Airlines: HRB, KUL & BOM
MOMO Rabbit Airlines: KUL & SEL
Royal Pacific Airline: MFM & ICN
Tottoko Hamutarō Airline: MES, PEN, SEL & ICN
Free Flying Airline: ITM
Doraemon Airlines: ITM & HND
That's the full list.
5:40 PM Tottoko Hamutarō Airline: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=523
5:41 PM air.elbonia: Seol hides in that list rather well
but sticks out like a sore thumb
me: THA143306 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 10
THA143309 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143829 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 30
THA143838 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143873 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143874 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
5:42 PM air.elbonia: yeah
me: Another kap.
air.elbonia: 'nother ka
kap*
me: Kap, we all know what that looks like...
5:44 PM http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=884 - Flower Family.
air.elbonia: 'nother kap
me: -nods-
5:45 PM RPA: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=524
air.elbonia: yeah
'nother kap
5:46 PM shenzhen and such
me: RPA160967 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160968 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160969 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160970 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160971 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160972 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160973 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
air.elbonia: ... those aren't the bad ones
5:47 PM RPA144920 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
me: Saw that.
air.elbonia: RPA144962 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
RPA144966 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
RPA145001 Shenzhen - Boaon 13
me: And more... http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=602
5:48 PM RPA143201 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143194 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143196 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143197 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143198 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143202 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143203 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143206 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143208 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143214 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143216 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143218 Osaka-Itami 32
air.elbonia: lovely
the kap-like ones, i support you on fully
the multi .5 freq, not as much
5:49 PM me: The only reason I'm "attacking" dora, is because of the high amount of gates.
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Is that evidence enough?
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I have mention it before, do you think that , if I have enough time to change all my 4-5thousands routes from 0.5 to 1?after you have sent the second warning to me..just few days 4-5 thousands route, do you expect me I can stay at home 24 hours? If you MR admin is able to change all of the 0.5 routes from 0.5 to 1within few days, pls tell me the methods. Also most of my fd need to work , you cant expect them have too much time to constructure it again.... I dont think your first letter is warning letter, your first letter just ask all of us reply you, when you send your second letter(warning letter) to me ,it seems like warning letter, I started to constructure my route , 4-5 thousands route, show me how to create it from 0.5 to 1within 2days . I think the only methods is give up to play this game. also plse ban all airlines campany which have ever use 0.5 freq to make profit. Let me tell you again,
THA143309 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143829 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 30
THA143838 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143873 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143874 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
some of your information is out of date.... THA have cancelled all of the high freq route in SEuol when he free yestaday.
MoMO Rabbit Airlines
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Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem. You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. :roll: You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.
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And the fact that you told them to get away with it, and cry poor, makes you the ringleader.
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Mr admin ,we play this game since the the start of summer hoilday, around July, you know I spare a lot of time to develop my airline company at the beginning, I used about 40 days to establish my air company, At August, you sent a first letter to us to ask me why ?just ask, on the few days before, you send a warning letter to me, how can I change the route within few days... I use 40 days to creast all the routes, you expect me use just 2 days to cancel all of it, it sounds impossible, as you know cancel the rounte and construct it again is more difficult than just create a route. It is impossible for me to solve every problem which you tell me few days before. also your website always down and very slow, how can we change it in just few days, Actually I predict I use 40 days to create the route before, I need 60 days to cancel all of it and create it again city by city.
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As I have said before, someone has to think before action (and most important of all... let people know he has thought through something).
I still hold the same view as AEB that banning is not the best solution to this problem, at least not at the moment.
@d1-3508, if you insist on banning, ban all airlines that have "abnormal" uses of 0.5 frequencies. Not just some of them that you deem affect the game most. There are still too many out there functioning this way.
@juancho, you have never had your operation this big so you wouldn't know anything about the workload of editing thousands of routes.
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Uhhh, it wasn't 2 days, it was 13 according to my records.
(Runs & hides from blast)
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Uhhh, it wasn't 2 days, it was 13 according to my records.
13 days since you sent the first letter / pm / whatever... which coincidentally, players mis-interpret them as asking for reason only, and that they don't even need to be replied.
2 days with the "second" warning, where players haven't catch the first one... because they don't get the "warning" message out of the first pm.
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@juancho, you have never had your operation this big so you wouldn't know anything about the workload of editing thousands of routes.
Surely you know my entire gaming history... :lol: whatever dude I have no idea. :roll: Could you be any more patronizing.
And yes it is really simple. Start closing routes and start them again without assinine 200 .5s freqs on the same route. These geniuses won't be able to rebuild their networks in 24 hours so they're going to loose a lot of their gates. And that's the point. That's what happens when you cock block, it's very hard to reverse the situation. Even more of a reason to ban cock blocking aka gate hogging.
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Could you be any more patronizing.
As a matter of fact, I could :wink:
and again, please MIND YOUR LANGUAGE!!
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Calm down a bit, its only a game at the end of the day. As I said I will be looking into the matter with Air Elbonia and we will have it sorted over the next 2 - 3 days.
Why not take this time to go visit someone you haven't seen since you became addicted to AM? :P
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MIND YOUR LANGUAGE!!
MIND YOUR LANGUAGE!!? How about you mind your CAP LOCK? I do mind my language! :roll:
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Calm down a bit, its only a game at the end of the day. As I said I will be looking into the matter with Air Elbonia and we will have it sorted over the next 2 - 3 days.
Why not take this time to go visit someone you haven't seen since you became addicted to AM? :P
Addicted is an understatement. :lol:
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Lady and Gentlemen, Let me tell you the game rules in airlinemogul.
1 avoid use 0.5 frequency routes in any situation (you can do it in the game but itis not allowed)
2 avoid using hige frequency route(more than 10) between two cities(also you can do it in the game but it is not allowed)
3 create one 1 freq route between each city and your bases( sound strange only 1flight allowed .....the opinion of admin)
4 try to understand what the admin think(you need predict yourself, as this game have many trap, not everything you can do it in your game is allowed , something you cant do it, once you do it, only have few days to correct it, be careful.
5 dont be too rich, it may be attacked by many people.
6 try to make alliance with admin, (join united sky group)as they may try to protect or remind you at the earlist time when you get trouble. so I think your account can be prevent banned by anyone.
7 The last but not least, if you cant follow all of this rule, dont play this game anymore.
Thank you for cooperation.
Dear MR Admin, 2-3 days, I may lost many plane from broker system..I can wait, my broker cant wait..next time when you want to ban anyone suddenly, you better ban his account on Monday, it can prevent to make some of the player(who need work) inconvenience .
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totally agree with royal pacific.
we, part of k.f.m. members, recieved an email from our dear admin. The email stated that we have taken all or most of the remaining gates at several airports. But I still don't understand why we banned for a week(?), are we do sth that disobey the game rule?
If we banned because of creating high freq. (>10) and low freq (0.5), then admin should ban everyone who did it. In this game, we can create our routes in any freq., decide the way that help us to earn the most profit, based on the spirit of capitalism. Once admin interfere our airline development, i feel very disappointed. I can say our dear admin is a follower of planned economy, you want control (somhow it is limiting) our growing, and fit into your expected outcome. I don't know what is your expected outcome, but your action is quite disruptive to us. Our dearest admin, can you tell me why we can't have high and low freq. flights? according to which rule?
If we banned because of holding gates in several cities, then what we can do is change all high frequency flights to low frequency (at most 4), but we won't return the gates! It is quite unfair to us, we don't enough time to change the routes and ban suddenly. We hold a lot of gates and use them for flights only, can you tell me what's the problem there? and disobey to which rule? Are you suggest us hold the gates and remain unused? We pay and rent the gates, we can use the gates to do whatever we want. And I turned all high freq flights into normal freq already, why our dear admin still ban me? I use them to earn profit on my own, are you going to tell me " YOU SHOULD SHARE YOUR MARKET WITH OTHER AIRLINE"?
I have a suggestion, admin should create another formula to replace the current one, get rid of 0.5 freq, then the problem can be solved.
PS: the base that i turned from high freq to normal freq are seoul and penang, but not the others, due to a week of suspension.
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I am the CEO of tottoko Hamutaro airline, one of the airline on the list.
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6 try to make alliance with admin, (join united sky group)as they may try to protect or remind you at the earlist time when you get trouble. so I think your account can be prevent banned by anyone.
You are one of the reasons I chose not to be in KMF Alliance. And now the reason is obvious.
I have to state clear that, I DID NOT GET ANY early information about the warning from our alliance member and from the admins. I got the same first and second warning letter at the same time.
I DID NOT enchorage Royal Pacific Airlines and any other airlines to go for 0.5 frequency.
Royal Pacific Airlines is responsible for your own operation.
@Admins: If this arguement or this 0.5 issue had affected the admin's image of honesty, may you please kindly clear my account to show that admins and United Sky Group are of no undercovered relationship with Doraemon Airlines.
@United Sky Group members: I am sorry that this issue had affected the alliance's image. I am eager to leave the alliance if there is a need to.
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i'm happy to see that u panned my account
after the banning without warning, i think that adm is the real game rule, no matter you have already followed all the game rules.
i can say, i dun break any game rules in the game
0.5 freq..........10 more freq......(game allowed)
also i love to share the free lunch to the people in indonesia.......but the others did not like my action and went to forum said that i broke the rules....
i want to know which rules i have broken??????
why my acc suddenly banned???????
why i can't share the lunch with my lovely passenger?
i just want my passenger have a cheaper air service....what wrong?
for the company who are always arguing for the others why richer than them.....i just feel pitiable...
and the end....i am nth to say about the action of admin
.....dun stir up ShXX again la.........
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i'm the ceo of king's arm airline
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i suggest that admin can cancel 0.5 frequently and create a rule that prevent
any airline's occupied rate over than 30% in one place. i think it is a efficient method to stop airlines to monopolize the city.
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Remove the Ranking next round. :lol:
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i suggest that admin can cancel 0.5 frequently and create a rule that prevent
any airline's occupied rate over than 30% in one place. i think it is a efficient method to stop airlines to monopolize the city.
That rate of occupancy is foolishly low....
At the very beginning of a round, when you are the first into a city. You automatically have a 100% market share. Noone would be able to open even their first route.
Second circumstance when that doesn't work. You pick a city to hub where there is a low amount of traffic. You could in theory end up with a market share above 60% quite easily. Some airlines prefer to pick one city and put a ton of traffic out of it rather than shotgunning two or three cities at the beginning.
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i suggest that admin can cancel 0.5 frequently and create a rule that prevent
any airline's occupied rate over than 30% in one place. i think it is a efficient method to stop airlines to monopolize the city.
That rate of occupancy is foolishly low....
At the very beginning of a round, when you are the first into a city. You automatically have a 100% market share. Noone would be able to open even their first route.
Second circumstance when that doesn't work. You pick a city to hub where there is a low amount of traffic. You could in theory end up with a market share above 60% quite easily. Some airlines prefer to pick one city and put a ton of traffic out of it rather than shotgunning two or three cities at the beginning.
maybe you are right :wink: then , now t think the causing the banned issue is gates problem. you know in the real world , any airlines will rent and hold all gates of the city? is it monopoly? i hope admin could find a solve way for that
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Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem. You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. :roll: You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.
I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.
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Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem. You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. :roll: You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.
I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.
He right d1 is going to lock this topic if you don't watch it.
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It seems that something yet explained...
I know from the forum that even admins have different point of views towards 0.5 frequency. This makes me worried.
If they are banned because of 0.5 frequency, I think most of the airlines in the game are responsible too.
May be its time for admins to combine their thoughts and make a new game rule on this issue.
Without a clear explanation, I think the arguement will not end...
If banning account is the only solution, then ban mine too.
I don't think banning your account is a solution. The fact is that we are banned but you are not. What we want to know is the reason and nobody here answer me.
Even you are banned now, we still need the reasons and it just further explain your dear alliance member tried to protect you.
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5:17 PM air.elbonia: that will still happen
i have, and properly use, 71 gates at msp (out of 300)
it would only take 4 active airlines there on my scale to fill it
me: I'm trying to catch the people who don't properly use the gates.
5:18 PM (i.e. the multiple 0.5's on the same route, the high frequency flights, etc...)
air.elbonia: all theroetically valid strategies
5:19 PM i suppose i'm a lot more laissez-faire about it
me: Stephen's had enough, I've had enough, Asia's had enough.
Mr. dl-3508, see what one of our dear Admin Mr. Air. Elbonia said. Have you forgot?
Are u logic enough?
If you think 0.5 frequency is not valid, you should not allow us to do so at early time. Not to block us at game year 2003.
Also, please inform us before blocking us. You blocking action may causes me to loose 3 orders from our broker, 5 billion in total. This is lucky to me as it only cost 5billion. Ifyou blocked me few days earlier, total lost may be >15billion. :twisted:
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Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem. You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. :roll: You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.
I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.
He right d1 is going to lock this topic if you don't watch it.
Maybe, Maybe not...
...guys, the situation is being examined closely by StephenM. And trust me when I said closely.
Let's give d1 a break for a bit. His is cracking under the pressure (instead of cracking down on you all). Please be patient for a bit and trust StephenM to take care of this situation (trust me if not him :P ). He gets all your points and the whole admin team is learning with this "experience".
@KFai, don't worry about your order from me. The planes would be kept on the market, awaiting you to pick them up (as promised in my recent post in my brokerage thread).
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I'm going to keep this short & sweet.
(Transcript from a google chat between Me & Will, 23rd August 2007)
5:13 PM air.elbonia: make it 71 gates at MSP
me: Spare?
5:14 PM air.elbonia: no
me: How many spare then?
air.elbonia: filling up the new one as we speak
define spare
me: Not used by anyone.
5:15 PM air.elbonia: aren't many of those, last i knew. (players that is)
5:16 PM me: The full gates?
(0 left)
air.elbonia: yeeeaaahhh... that will happen
me: The 250 gate airports though.
5:17 PM air.elbonia: that will still happen
i have, and properly use, 71 gates at msp (out of 300)
it would only take 4 active airlines there on my scale to fill it
me: I'm trying to catch the people who don't properly use the gates.
5:18 PM (i.e. the multiple 0.5's on the same route, the high frequency flights, etc...)
air.elbonia: all theroetically valid strategies
5:19 PM i suppose i'm a lot more laissez-faire about it
me: Stephen's had enough, I've had enough, Asia's had enough.
5:21 PM That's why we're cracking down.
air.elbonia: yeah
me: If you do not return these gates, and I have to give
another warning to you, you will be banned until a date
that we see fit.
That was my ending notice.
5:22 PM air.elbonia: there's a significant difference between kapellen, and people using multiple .5's though.
me: I've given them 13 days, so that's fair.
Have a look at Kings arm (for example)
5:23 PM http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=656
5:24 PM air.elbonia: yeah
me: (still being forced to use that because of my shoddy laptop)
air.elbonia: high frequency overlap
yeah
KAA is like kapellen
5:25 PM me: And KAA only returned 1 gate, out of a possible 200.
5:26 PM air.elbonia: again, i'm just saying. big difference between KAA and Dora
me: MMR: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=656
5:27 PM Not that... -smacks laptop-
http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=625
5:28 PM air.elbonia: yeah. MMR's not too bad in my opinion
5:29 PM me: KFAI also, same airport
5:31 PM MMR again http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=721
5:35 PM Dora: (this is just a small section)DDA132266 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132267 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132268 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132269 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
air.elbonia: yeah
me: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=143
It gets worse, the further you go through it.
5:37 PM PAA: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=506
air.elbonia: yeah
5:38 PM the block of high freq overlap, another kapellan
5:39 PM me: Of course, this is only a small sample of how bad it is.
Kapellen Airservice: ATH, BRE, FRA, KLX, LXS, JMK, NAP, CIA & FCO
King's Arm Airline: TKG, HLP, CGK, SEL & HND
Pacific Atlantic Airline: DEL & MES
Flower Family: HZG, LYA, ENY & XIY
KFAI Airlines: HRB, KUL & BOM
MOMO Rabbit Airlines: KUL & SEL
Royal Pacific Airline: MFM & ICN
Tottoko Hamutarō Airline: MES, PEN, SEL & ICN
Free Flying Airline: ITM
Doraemon Airlines: ITM & HND
That's the full list.
5:40 PM Tottoko Hamutarō Airline: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=523
5:41 PM air.elbonia: Seol hides in that list rather well
but sticks out like a sore thumb
me: THA143306 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 10
THA143309 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143829 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 30
THA143838 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143873 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143874 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
5:42 PM air.elbonia: yeah
me: Another kap.
air.elbonia: 'nother ka
kap*
me: Kap, we all know what that looks like...
5:44 PM http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=884 - Flower Family.
air.elbonia: 'nother kap
me: -nods-
5:45 PM RPA: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=524
air.elbonia: yeah
'nother kap
5:46 PM shenzhen and such
me: RPA160967 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160968 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160969 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160970 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160971 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160972 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160973 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
air.elbonia: ... those aren't the bad ones
5:47 PM RPA144920 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
me: Saw that.
air.elbonia: RPA144962 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
RPA144966 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
RPA145001 Shenzhen - Boaon 13
me: And more... http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=602
5:48 PM RPA143201 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143194 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143196 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143197 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143198 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143202 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143203 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143206 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143208 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143214 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143216 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143218 Osaka-Itami 32
air.elbonia: lovely
the kap-like ones, i support you on fully
the multi .5 freq, not as much
5:49 PM me: The only reason I'm "attacking" dora, is because of the high amount of gates.
Is that evidence enough?
Yes you give the evidence of <0.5 route and >10 route. My airline never deny it.
However, what we want to know is the reason why we are banned but Doraemon not.
Your sentence is short but not sweet. I think, as a admin of the game, you should do everything with proper reason but not to say "keep it short and sweet" or even didn't reply our email.
I am still waiting for your explanation.
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I think, as a admin of the game, you should do everything with proper reason but not to say "keep it short and sweet" or even didn't reply our email.
I am still waiting for you explanation.
He is not replying to your email because he is having a cool down period, as recommended by StephenM. Guys, calm down. The situation should be taken care of soon.
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Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem. You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. :roll: You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.
I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.
He right d1 is going to lock this topic if you don't watch it.
Maybe, Maybe not...
...guys, the situation is being examined closely by StephenM. And trust me when I said closely.
Let's give d1 a break for a bit. His is cracking under the pressure (instead of cracking down on you all). Please be patient for a bit and trust StephenM to take care of this situation (trust me if not him :P ). He gets all your points and the whole admin team is learning with this "experience".
@KFai, don't worry about your order from me. The planes would be kept on the market, awaiting you to pick them up (as promised in my recent post in my brokerage thread).
Thanks, CEO of D Express.
AND I TRUST YOU.
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I think, as a admin of the game, you should do everything with proper reason but not to say "keep it short and sweet" or even didn't reply our email.
I am still waiting for you explanation.
He is not replying to your email because he is having a cool down period, as recommended by StephenM. Guys, calm down. The situation should be taken care of soon.
OK
but I mean the email which I replied for the "first warning" email
not the recent one :wink:
thx anyway
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Also, please inform us before blocking us. You blocking action may causes me to loose 3 orders from our broker, 5 billion in total. This is lucky to me as it only cost 5billion. Ifyou blocked me few days earlier, total lost may be >15billion. :twisted:
Your upset....
You are the causation of your banning.....
I have a broker order sitting waiting for one of the banned lines, and I would like to have the cash involved back to do other things. Yes, its only $1b but still. I had nothing to do with the current situation, other than agreeing with sloppy gate hoggers like yourself getting the ban. The kind of crap you pulled is now sucking other innocents in.....
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It seems that something yet explained...
I know from the forum that even admins have different point of views towards 0.5 frequency. This makes me worried.
If they are banned because of 0.5 frequency, I think most of the airlines in the game are responsible too.
May be its time for admins to combine their thoughts and make a new game rule on this issue.
Without a clear explanation, I think the arguement will not end...
If banning account is the only solution, then ban mine too.
I don't think banning your account is a solution. The fact is that we are banned but you are not. What we want to know is the reason and nobody here answer me.
Even you are banned now, we still need the reasons and it just further explain your dear alliance member tried to protect you.
You have no evidence to say my alliance is protecting me. You will not get what you want if you think in this way.
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okay... stop arguing. Enough is enough.
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I do believe this topic has been answered to, There are no more questions. Thus, Bringing this topic to an abrupt end.
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Oh yes,
And if you have any more questions, or want me to investigate your ban/fine. Send an email to the membership director, which co-incidently happens to be me, daniel.doorgakant(at)airlinemogul.com