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Airline Mogul => Bugs => Topic started by: Dora on August 03, 2007, 04:05:24 pm

Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Dora on August 03, 2007, 04:05:24 pm
Gates in Rome Leonardo Da Vinci Airport - FCO may be too little
Someone bought all gates left...again

may be we can have a forum section for gate buy out reports...
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: MrOrange on August 03, 2007, 08:07:08 pm
These situations will be dealt with automatically, even though that may take up to two days IIRC. Any unused gates will be returned automatically at the end of the month.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: :Duncan on August 04, 2007, 06:19:23 pm
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/Mirage-SHKB/PRG.png)

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/Mirage-SHKB/LEI.png)

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/Mirage-SHKB/FRA.png)

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/Mirage-SHKB/FCO.png)

And also, I don't think he is using Athens alot as well... :?

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/Mirage-SHKB/Kapellen.png)

Such a great way for shut people away from 'his' airport
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: MrOrange on August 04, 2007, 08:29:04 pm
As said, the situation would either resolve itself because gates are returned, or the guy managing the airline will notice people start to hate him for using more gates than nessecary, and he'll return the gates. Still, I'd say situation 1 is the most likely.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: d1-3508 on August 04, 2007, 11:27:29 pm
Or we'll delete him (but that's if all these gates aren't returned.)
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Denny-Fly on August 05, 2007, 03:44:42 pm
The same Problem, I have post it in Bugs:

http://www.stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1256
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Pod1967 on August 07, 2007, 06:21:01 pm
It the same guy. I woke up this morning to discover he had put about 5 aircraft on one route operating at a frequency of 67.5 and his ticket price at 1euro.
Really pissed me off, then when I realised he had done the same at Frankfurt pissed me off even more.
Some people need to play the game abit better and operate more of how a real world airline would operate.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: d1-3508 on August 08, 2007, 07:08:19 am
I've decided to make it all one thread, and move it into bugs.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Air Elbonia on August 08, 2007, 02:14:43 pm
Again, we're relatively open to suggestions as to what better to do (code-side) to prevent this, but none will likely be perfect or without unforeseen consequences.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Denny-Fly on August 08, 2007, 04:45:35 pm
Maybe you can make that the highest Gates for Rent is 5!
And when you dont need the gates, you cant rent more!
Ich have 4 gates left, you can rent 1 more, and you have 5 left.
So you can not have so much gates than kapellen airservice, because they dont need them *LOL
Sorry for my englisch ;)
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: StephenM on August 08, 2007, 04:55:31 pm
How about another method, with any airline that has more than 40 gates an airport their cost goes up per gate to rent. So lets say the price took a very high increase, 10% increase per gate. So your 41st gate would be  €330,000.00, 42nd €363,000.00 going up to 50th €778,122.74 and finally if you can afford it, your 100th gate would cost €91,344,491.86.
So if you have 100 gates an airport whos base cost is €300,000 your monthly charge for the gates would come to  €1,013,489,410.49 I dont think many airlines would be able to afford that. :)
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: dktc on August 09, 2007, 12:31:41 am
Quote from: "StephenM"
How about another method, with any airline that has more than 40 gates an airport their cost goes up per gate to rent. So lets say the price took a very high increase, 10% increase per gate. So your 41st gate would be  €330,000.00, 42nd €363,000.00 going up to 50th €778,122.74 and finally if you can afford it, your 100th gate would cost €91,344,491.86.
So if you have 100 gates an airport whos base cost is €300,000 your monthly charge for the gates would come to  €1,013,489,410.49 I dont think many airlines would be able to afford that. :)


Which the foreseeable consequence is that large airlines wouldn't work because gates are so so expensive. I prefer checking everytime you rent the gates like Denny-Fly suggests.

As for gates being tied down by routes... there is nothing that one could do except tie the gates down first :P
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: MrOrange on August 09, 2007, 07:57:43 am
I only like StephenM's method if it will apply to unused gates :) Otherwise, it'd be impossible to run a big airline.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Pod1967 on August 09, 2007, 08:49:00 am
I reckon you should limit the amount of aircraft on one route per airline to say 3 or so.
That way people like Kapellen can't stick about 8 aircraft on the one route and buy all the gates, filling their slots.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Pod1967 on August 09, 2007, 12:20:33 pm
I just sent a message to Kappelen asking if he could take one of the 6 aircraft off his Rome-Pisa route and return a gate.
Doubt he will do it but worth a try.
If he doesn't then I'm either changing base or quitting the game til the next time round.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Pod1967 on August 09, 2007, 08:06:30 pm
Well he was quite reasonable. Informed me of a vacant gate to rent at Rome, so I snapped it up before someone else had the chance to.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Air Elbonia on August 09, 2007, 11:39:59 pm
Good to hear he was reasonable.  I'll still keep trying to figure out a solution to the problem in general.

the limit of planes/route is possible, but unlikely to have a huge impact (as frankly, it likely would just mean the dumping gets spread out more).
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: d1-3508 on August 10, 2007, 07:09:39 am
You know what, I'm feeling in a good mood.

Here's a name & shame list

Quote
Kapellen Airservice: ATH, BRE, FRA, KLX, LXS, JMK, NAP, CIA & FCO
King's Arm Airline: TKG, HLP, CGK, SEL & HND
Pacific Atlantic Airline: DEL & MES
Flower Family: HZG, LYA, ENY & XIY
KFAI Airlines: HRB, KUL & BOM
MOMO Rabbit Airlines: KUL & SEL
Royal Pacific Airline: MFM & ICN
Tottoko Hamutarō Airline: MES, PEN, SEL & ICN
Free Flying Airline: ITM
Doraemon Airlines: ITM & HND
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Dora on August 10, 2007, 09:47:50 am
I think I'm not responsible for ITM, I own 34 gates only...instead of 131...
For HND, there is where my headquarter located. I'm sharing routes with 9 airlines and I only provide 29% seats...I will try freeing some more gates after restructuring routes from HND.

But you should know that gates in HND will never be enough, just like LHR...the competition in East Asia region is fierece. I noticed that those 65+ players based in HKG earlier have now spread over from big cities to even very small cities in the region...

I have submitted data of new airports in Japan to admins. Hope this will help ease the competition.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: dktc on August 10, 2007, 09:59:12 am
I think what dl-3508 means is that those on the lists are the ones practice either one or more of the followings:

- gate hogging
- spamming routes with small plane and holding up a large amount of gates because of thhat
- "0.5 airlines"

and Dora, you may fall under the "0.5 airlines" category. (this post is just a speculation without judging the rights or wrongs of any players)
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: MrOrange on August 10, 2007, 10:02:05 am
Well, kids, watch closely. This is how you can actually use all 130 gates:

KAS145729     Bremen     15
KAS147592    Bremen    15
KAS145670    Bremen    15
KAS145672    Bremen    15
KAS145675    Bremen    15
KAS145676    Bremen    15
KAS145677    Bremen    15
KAS145679    Bremen    15
KAS145681    Bremen    15
KAS145690    Bremen    15
KAS145693    Bremen    15
KAS145695    Bremen    15
KAS145697    Bremen    15
KAS145699    Bremen    15
KAS145702    Bremen    15
KAS145703    Bremen    15
KAS145704    Bremen    15
KAS145705    Bremen    15
KAS145709    Bremen    15
KAS145713    Bremen    15
KAS145715    Bremen    15
KAS145718    Bremen    15
KAS145720    Bremen    15
KAS145721    Bremen    15
KAS145725    Bremen    15
KAS145726    Bremen    15
KAS145734    Bremen    15
KAS145737    Bremen    15
KAS145741    Bremen    15
KAS145744    Bremen    15
KAS145749    Bremen    15
KAS145753    Bremen    15
KAS145755    Bremen    15
KAS145757    Bremen    15
KAS145759    Bremen    15
KAS145761    Bremen    15
KAS145766    Bremen    15
KAS145772    Bremen    15
KAS145773    Bremen    15
KAS145777    Bremen    15
KAS145779    Bremen    15
KAS145781    Bremen    15
KAS145784    Bremen    15
KAS145816    Bremen    15
KAS145798    Bremen    15
KAS145803    Bremen    15
KAS145808    Bremen    15

One thing's for sure, if you want to fly from Frankfurt to Bremen, you're in for a cheap flight. I can see the press release already:

With 705 flights per day, which is slightly over 29 flights per hour, you are guaranteed a place on a flight. If you happen to miss one, just take the flight leaving two minutes later! It's almost like taking the train, but this is actually faster! Convenience guaranteed. One problem though, with one airplane flying the exact same route every two minutes, in-air delays will be extremely frequent. This is not the fault of our management, it's the fault of the German Air Traffic Controllers. We apologize for their lack of insight when trying to separate 29 airplanes flying the same airways. It should be easy.

Frankfurt Airport has dedicated its entire Terminal A to our flights from Frankfurt to Bremen. We have 71 gates opened for you, so you can check in without having to wait in a line. Please do show up 2 hours before departure time, because with our current schedule, we cannot have any delays.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: dktc on August 10, 2007, 10:11:53 am
:roll:  :roll:  :roll:

I am wondering the quality of players here... since this round. We used to have good quality players... but I am not too sure right now :?
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: MrOrange on August 10, 2007, 10:13:08 am
Basically, if your ID is 615 or lower, you'll be fine :wink: Well, seriously, the ID actually tells you quite a lot (in most cases)
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: dktc on August 10, 2007, 10:14:44 am
Quote from: "MrOrange"
Basically, if your ID is 615 or lower, you'll be fine :wink: Well, seriously, the ID actually tells you quite a lot (in most cases)


 :shock:
k... Mr High-quality-Orange (Sunkist??)... please teach me to improve :P
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: SR-International on August 10, 2007, 10:24:06 am
Quote from: "MrOrange"
Basically, if your ID is 615 or lower, you'll be fine :wink:


Well, in that case I would be way out of this "fine-range". ;) With an ID of 1000+ I can't help it.  :roll:  On the other hand you're quite right as the ID lets you estimate how long this particular player is registered to AM and how much he has improved since then.
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Dora on August 10, 2007, 10:25:26 am
Maybe we can have a AM lecture to teach new players how to play this game and turn into a good quality player :)
I'm a not-so-good player though... :?
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: MrOrange on August 10, 2007, 10:47:40 am
Well, it's really true. Most players you tend to find 'low quality' are players with an id over 800. I'm sorry for all those 'high quality' players with +800 ID's, clearly, you're the usual exception to the rule. We can schedule a lecture, but I think reading through this thread and imagining the use of 29 flights per hour in a real-life situation should do :lol:
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: WARREN on August 11, 2007, 12:38:16 am
:(   I will try my best to improve my 'quality'in this game. But, it is not an easy task for my company to make a balanced decision between  the profit and 'quality' .In fact , we can create 0.5 airlines under the game rules,if I give up to create  '0.5 airlines' .The other airlines in Asia will also use this methods(0.5airlines) to compete with my company......I will return some extra gates as soon as possible.

Anyway,I hope all of us can enjoy this game.





__________
Mo MO Rabbit Airlines
China Xiamen
Warren
ID 850
Title: OFFICAL Gate Problems (all gone) thread
Post by: Air Elbonia on August 11, 2007, 12:58:56 am
A lot of things are valid, just some things aren't "appreciated", "liked", "looked-well-upon" or "fair".