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Airline Mogul => Bugs => Topic started by: Frequent Flyer on June 18, 2009, 12:44:19 pm

Title: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: Frequent Flyer on June 18, 2009, 12:44:19 pm

Hey,
So I've purchased a MD-87 (Amazon Jet, World 645, ID 23521) and checked times for a few routes using the Research Route function, and this is what I got:

|Estimated Flight Length (hours:minutes:seconds)
|5:54:54
|5:54:54
|5:59:42
|5:59:06

-Looks excellent, right? Just a few seconds under 24 hours, which means the plane should be able to fly these routes.
When I tried routing the plane today I added the first 3 routes - and saw the plane has 6 hours left - great - just enough for the last route.
Unfortunately, the plane doesn't show when I try adding the last route.

Any idea why?
Thanks in advance,
Frequent Flyer

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm

the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 02:22:22 pm

My calculation shows differently:

(http://dljpetrovic.users.sbb.co.yu/calc.png)

This is done in excel...here is the link where nwadeltaboy explained how to make one:

http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=7762.0

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: pseudoswede on June 18, 2009, 02:28:28 pm

Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm

the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

This is absolutely false.

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: Frequent Flyer on June 18, 2009, 02:43:26 pm

Quote from: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 02:22:22 pm

My calculation shows differently:

(http://dljpetrovic.users.sbb.co.yu/calc.png)

This is done in excel...here is the link where nwadeltaboy explained how to make one:

http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=7762.0

Umm.. I'm using the JT8D-217C engines version of the MD-87, which means it flies at a speed of 500kts and has a block time of 0.52.

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 03:10:14 pm

Then it can fly all 4 routes.....but....I just checked....you don't have a hub at Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport nor at Bogotá/El Dorado international airport...how you are able to create the second flight (Bogotá/El Dorado international airport - São Paulo/Congonhas Airport)?

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: pseudoswede on June 18, 2009, 03:17:28 pm

Quote from: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 03:10:14 pm

Then it can fly all 4 routes.....but....I just checked....you don't have a hub at Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport nor at Bogotá/El Dorado international airport...how you are able to create the second flight (Bogotá/El Dorado international airport - São Paulo/Congonhas Airport)?

He just splitted out the flights. In reality, he's doing 1-frequency flights?

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 03:23:46 pm

Just checked..

São Paulo/Guarulhos international airport   -   Bogotá/El Dorado international airport   =   0.5
São Paulo/Congonhas Airport            -   Bogotá/El Dorado international airport   =   0.5
São Paulo/Congonhas Airport            -   Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport   =   0 (No route)
São Paulo/Guarulhos international airport   -   Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport   =   1

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: Frequent Flyer on June 18, 2009, 03:25:41 pm

Quote from: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 03:10:14 pm

Then it can fly all 4 routes.....but....I just checked....you don't have a hub at Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport nor at Bogotá/El Dorado international airport...how you are able to create the second flight (Bogotá/El Dorado international airport - São Paulo/Congonhas Airport)?

Well, it is just quite logical - I fly a 1 way flight from Guarulhos to El Dorado and then another 1 way flight from El dorado to Congonhas -
which means the airplane hasn't teleported.
It's like this:
A---> B
B---> C
C---> D
D---> A
(A and C are my hubs)

And (regarding your second post) - I currently don't fly to Caracas from Congonhas because it doesn't let me - that's why I posted this topic.

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 03:30:47 pm

Well I tried to find a reason why it doesn't let you fly the last route but I can't. I declare it a bug :roll:

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm

Quote from: pseudoswede on June 18, 2009, 02:28:28 pm

Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm
the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

This is absolutely false.

it isnt. Ask stephen about it. I remember a long time ago I tried to fly from tehran to SMX and I had the exact amount of time remaining on the aircraft but it wouldnt let me fly the route. I asked stephen about it and he said its cause there are delays on the ground at the airport. This was when I had about 100 aircraft flying from tehran on many routes right across the world.

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: Frequent Flyer on June 18, 2009, 04:02:57 pm

Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm

Quote from: pseudoswede on June 18, 2009, 02:28:28 pm
Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm
the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

This is absolutely false.
it isnt. Ask stephen about it. I remember a long time ago I tried to fly from tehran to SMX and I had the exact amount of time remaining on the aircraft but it wouldnt let me fly the route. I asked stephen about it and he said its cause there are delays on the ground at the airport. This was when I had about 100 aircraft flying from tehran on many routes right across the world.

:-X
Can you confirm this is the problem, stephen? :-[

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: StephenM on June 18, 2009, 06:13:56 pm

Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm

it isnt. Ask stephen about it.

Its actually false, even I didn't know. :lol: I must have planned it originally and thought I implemented it. :-[

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 06:18:23 pm

Quote from: StephenM on June 18, 2009, 06:13:56 pm

Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm
it isnt. Ask stephen about it.

Its actually false, even I didn't know. :lol: I must have planned it originally and thought I implemented it. :-[

:-\

why do my arguments always die

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: StephenM on June 18, 2009, 06:24:40 pm

On the 24 hour bug, Will sent me a few updates which I will add tonight to try to prevent the problem in the future.

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: Frequent Flyer on June 18, 2009, 06:51:13 pm

Thanks.
So I'll try adding that route again tomorrow morning.

Title: Re: Can't fly 24 hours
Post by: Frequent Flyer on June 19, 2009, 02:23:17 pm

Umm... It still doesn't seem to work. :(
What shall I do?