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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Aerobat on June 28, 2008, 06:09:33 am
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Just a quick question
Does Building a Terminal in a City with avaliable Gates really Worth it ??
Because Im struggling to decide between building a 5-6 gate terminal in my main hub of Warsaw. Or should i just rent out another gate.
and also Does the 75% gate fee Really pay off :?: :?: :?:
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Only REALLY works with airports with >50 mill pax but can work down to 20 mill pax.
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Don't bother for Warsaw, unless it runs out of gates. Can't see that happening soon. :P
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Build a base in LHR and sell it for a much higher price (In the Gate Market)
LHR is going to run out of gate. It's only a matter of time.......
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There are really only two main reasons why you should build a terminal if you need it, 1) if you go past the 20 gate limit (Is that still in the game?), and 2) if you run out of gates at the airport and would like to expand.
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There are really only two main reasons why you should build a terminal if you need it, 1) if you go past the 20 gate limit (Is that still in the game?), and 2) if you run out of gates at the airport and would like to expand.
cap is at 25 gates, which probably should be reduced to 20. and it should still be in game, if it's not working in-game, it needs to be fixed.
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OK, Can I go above 25 base gates if I build a terminal? I hit my limit for the first time and never tried this button but I dont want to throw away money if I cant use the gates... yes I read the help section but no where does it state that I will be able to rent more then 25 gates
Building Terminals
Terminals are purchasable in the Build Terminal link under the Gates menu. Terminals allow extra gates in areas where there may be no gates left. In order to build a terminal, you must have a base established at the airport. A terminal has a minimum of 5 gates, and the cost of building a gate is significantly more than normal renting of gates. Terminal gates only cost 75% to maintain (their rent is therefore 25% less than regular rental fees), so if one builds a terminal early enough in the round, the construction costs may be recovered through the money saved in reduced gate rental fees.
[edit] Extending Terminals
For every 10th terminal gate built, one rented gate will immediately be returned. If you have both rented and built gates at an airport, and you have 9 built gates, and you need more slots, you are going to have to build 2 gates to accommodate for the lost rented gate.
Retrieved from "http://airlinemogul.com/manual/index.php/Terminals"
There are really only two main reasons why you should build a terminal if you need it, 1) if you go past the 20 gate limit (Is that still in the game?), and 2) if you run out of gates at the airport and would like to expand.
cap is at 25 gates, which probably should be reduced to 20. and it should still be in game, if it's not working in-game, it needs to be fixed.
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Maybe cut the number of gates to some reasonable number....? ex. ICN has fewer than 100 gates (83 to be exact) while in AM it has 300, JFK also has about 150 gates (110 to be exact, excluding Terminal 5, and even if we do include Terminal 5, it's no more than 135) while in AM it has 300, even ATL has fewer than 250 gates (232 to be exact). Airports like SFO (which has 95 operational gates) have way too many gates. Not to mention airports like MRY, which have like 6 and can handle aircraft no larger than an MD80.
This I think should make terminal building more worth it.
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Maybe cut the number of gates to some reasonable number....? ex. ICN has fewer than 100 gates (83 to be exact) while in AM it has 300, JFK also has about 150 gates (110 to be exact, excluding Terminal 5, and even if we do include Terminal 5, it's no more than 135) while in AM it has 300, even ATL has fewer than 250 gates (232 to be exact). Airports like SFO (which has 95 operational gates) have way too many gates. Not to mention airports like MRY, which have like 6 and can handle aircraft no larger than an MD80.
This I think should make terminal building more worth it.
If we used real world numbers, then it could cripple the game really badly (gate hording would run wild(er), the maximum rental limit would be set at 5 rather than 25 because of it, it would be pretty bad. Not to mention we don't have r/l data on how many gates each airport has (way too many in the game). Runway restrictions I hear are in the works, at least before I had that short hiatus on playing the game, so it can probebly cancel out most of the large aircrafts (like that MD-80 to MRY) unless some kind of runway extension is done. I think the current model is pretty good.
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NO NO my current question is Can I rent more than 25 gates (250 slots) if I build a terminal???
there are still plenty of gates left it just wont let me rent them...
Zero-G
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NO NO my current question is Can I rent more than 25 gates (250 slots) if I build a terminal???
No, max is 25 rented gates.
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Yeah, after you build a terminal, you need to build gates. You can have more than 25 gates though in a terminal, and at last check, you don't have to use them all up right away like you do with rented gates.
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Hmmmm I'm confused I just logged into world 8 to look at the #1 player... they have more then 25 gates... did it change in world 9???
...........Code ...ICAO... Airport Name ....... Gates ...Utilisation
View..... FRA .....EDDF ......Frankfurt ............60 .......99%
View..... AMS..... EHAM..... Amsterdam ....... 55....... 98%
View..... BCN .....LEBL...... Barcelona ...........51...... 99%
View .....LGW..... EGKK .....London Gatwick. 52 .......99%
NO NO my current question is Can I rent more than 25 gates (250 slots) if I build a terminal???
No, max is 25 rented gates.
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Hmmmm I'm confused I just logged into world 8 to look at the #1 player... they have more then 25 gates... did it change in world 9???
That player has up to 23 rented gates, and then has a terminal on top.
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ive decided to build a terminal at all four of my hubs ... because face it they only cost 18-22 mill and i make that in 3 AM days, i have way to much money to spend lol with only a DOP of 6-7 million depending on LF. Lets see if it pays off and start having some savings i could do some calculations e.g how much i save a month. but really cant be bothered now.. i might post numbers up later
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My calculations are:
5 Gates (renting)
150,00 a gate
750,000 A month
5 Gate Terminal
19,884,750 Building Cost
112,500 A Gate
562,500 Monthly Gate Fee
I have 3 Hubs so:
59,654,250 Building Cost
112,500 A Gate
1,687,500 Monthly Gate Fee
Saving Of:
187,500 Per 5 Gates (Per Month)
562,500 Per 15 Gates (Per Month)
Sooooooo.....
The Total time taken for a terminal to really pay back its worth and start saving you over is.....
106 AM months
But.... this doesnt mean that terminals are useless because why not spend that 60 million that you have lying around to overall saving you money in the long run and increasing your MOP :D :D .
Hope this helps if you need me to do some calculations on another number of gates just say and ill be happy 2 :D
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It doesn't matter if it takes 106 months to get the money back, a terminal just allows you to expand further beyond the 25 gate maximum. Also take into the account that your DOP will be higher.
@ Zero-G, The reason they have more than 25 gates is because they have added a terminal and you build gates with it. There are 2 types of gates:
Rented,
Built.
Because they are both still gates they fall under the same category and they add up a total. So at Frankfurt he would have 25 Rented gates, and 35 built gates with his terminal = 60 gates. Although he can return his gates if he wanted too making more built then rented and etc. But it doesn't matter if he did or didn't.
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Well, if you're a huge airline, renting like 20 gates at each of your bases, i imagine it would pay off quicker...
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NICE I get it.... Can you Build say 25 gates and RETURN all the rented ones, since the built ones are cheaper?
It doesn't matter if it takes 106 months to get the money back, a terminal just allows you to expand further beyond the 25 gate maximum. Also take into the account that your DOP will be higher.
@ Zero-G, The reason they have more than 25 gates is because they have added a terminal and you build gates with it. There are 2 types of gates:
Rented,
Built.
Because they are both still gates they fall under the same category and they add up a total. So at Frankfurt he would have 25 Rented gates, and 35 built gates with his terminal = 60 gates. Although he can return his gates if he wanted too making more built then rented and etc. But it doesn't matter if he did or didn't.
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From what ive heard As soon as you build the terminal all your rented gates are moved to your terminal IF
E.g If you rent 25 gates at Frankfurt then build a terminal of 20 gates. Then those 25 rented would turn into 5 and the rest would fill up your terminal
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Hmmm,,,, anyone in design and programming is that true??? then why are we not just building them and bring down my monthly costs?
From what ive heard As soon as you build the terminal all your rented gates are moved to your terminal IF
E.g If you rent 25 gates at Frankfurt then build a terminal of 20 gates. Then those 25 rented would turn into 5 and the rest would fill up your terminal
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I had not heard anything like this, perhaps thing really did change in the game's logic since I last played (I wish I had a list of things I could read that changed since the first half of that 1970s round from earlier this year). The way I had understood is once you build the gates, the ones you are currently renting I recall are returned to the airport and the ones you build are the ones you keep.
Hmmm,,,, anyone in design and programming is that true??? then why are we not just building them and bring down my monthly costs?
Because, building a terminal is very expensive, and to add, you have to put in money for each gate. They really are effective though if you're short on gates or if you're at that 25 gate limit though.
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Also, Once you've built a termainal, you can't rent gate in that specific airport. It often causes trouble (for me).
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From what ive heard As soon as you build the terminal all your rented gates are moved to your terminal IF
E.g If you rent 25 gates at Frankfurt then build a terminal of 20 gates. Then those 25 rented would turn into 5 and the rest would fill up your terminal
Totally untrue.
When you build gates, 10% of your rented gates will be returned at that instant. That is, if you build 20 gates, 2 gates will be returned.
Then you will have
23 rented + 20 built = 43 gates.
Your flights will be moved to your built gates and the rented gates will be treated as empty/unused gates.
That is...
used = 20 bulit gate + 5 rented gates
idle = 18 rented gates
Those idle gates would be treated like any other unused rented gates. They will be returned at the second month change (starting from the time it is idle) if they are left idle. You have the time in between to fill them with flights.
NICE I get it.... Can you Build say 25 gates and RETURN all the rented ones, since the built ones are cheaper?
Yes, you could, because all your flights will be moved to the built gates first. You could just return the gates as usual. Bear in mind that you would not be able to re-rent them though.
Btw, I have to say something about this.... could you guys put the quote on top, then your answer? Thanks.
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Comeon, Im just lazy to do so...
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Comeon, Im just lazy to do so...
Sorry.... that was only meant to those people who added quotes :wink:
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yer woops forgot the gate tax but yer u get the picture :wink: