Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => Game Strategy => Topic started by: 13shiver on April 26, 2012, 11:36:00 am
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At what age is it recommended to sell older planes for newer ones? Been searching thru posts here but havnt found a topic on it.
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I strive to sell widebodies after a year or two, narrowbodies after 2 or 3.
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It depends on your bases. Usually, users here replace aircraft after three years. The bigger bases you have, the longer time the aircraft will give profit (because of your higher income).
Remember that maintenance is calculated fleet wide.
Example:
If you have three 20-year old Cessnas, your maintenance will be extremely high (because of the high average fleet age), but if you have three 20-year old 747's, you maintenance will be roughly the same as with the Cessnas.
If you want to see your fleet age, click on 'Aircraft'. You will see the age in the box in the middle.
If you have any more questions, go on and ask :)
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If you have three 20-year old Cessnas, your maintenance will be extremely high (because of the high average fleet age), but if you have three 20-year old 747's, you maintenance will be roughly the same as with the Cessnas.
I thought the maintenance costs are calcuted using the value of your fleet combined with the average age. So wheter or not you have a 3 20-year old Cessna's or you have 3 brand new 747's, the costs for the brandnew 747's will be a hell of a lot higher than those for the 20-year old Cessna's. No?
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You are correct, I tried to tell that in my example (seems like it didn't go well). The Cessna's increase the average age, increasing maintenance. Let me give you another Cessna-747-example:
You have this fleet:
10x 747-400, age 1
3x Cessna 208, age 20
It costs roughly the same as this fleet:
7x 747-400, age 1
3x 747-400, age 20
3x Cessna 208, age 1
Average age is the same for both fleet, value is almost the same (the older the plane, the lower the value), so the maintenance will be almost the same. Example two is a little bit cheaper due to the thee 15-year old 747's loosing value.
But a brand new 747 might cost more than a 20-year old Cessna 208. Just note that the maintenance can get extremely high if your planes are very old. Currently I have 1.5 billion in maintenance fees with 389 7-year old planes.
Did it help? :)
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It also depends on the game situation. In my world (2208), there's almost no market for used planes. Thus, I wind up scrapping most of them so the the total value of each plane is lost. Since I'm also way out in front, I'm only rotating the fleet at four or five years and still doing just fine.
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Do we still pay maintenance fees on A/C that are listed for sale?
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Yes, you pay the maintenance until the aircraft is no longer yours. This includes leasing, you pay the maintenance while the plane is leased out (that's why it is usually economical viable to lease your long haul planes).
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OK, I see, thanks Mathias.
I got some 5 yo A320's that ain't selling at min price - might as well scrap them.
Wow - your maint 1.5 bill :o - I'm worried at 21 mil :D
How on earth are you going to replace them?
I've spend all evenings this week replacing A/C and not finished yet - hotswap would be kinda useful :)
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Hotswap was available in the Scenario World which just ended, it is still a bit buggy though.
When I replace routes manually, I can do 2-3 routes each minute :D
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Well, in real life, airlines have to pay a certain amount concerning the maintenance costs to the lessor.
This is not implemented into the game, which is a pitty.
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Well, in real life, airlines have to pay a certain amount concerning the maintenance costs to the lessor.
That depends on the type of lease. For most types leases today the airline is fully responsible for maintenance. There is usually a penalty for having the lessor do maintenance (if not done properly) when the plane is returned, and there is also a penalty for returning a plane before the end of a lease contract.
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That depends on the type of lease. For most types leases today the airline is fully responsible for maintenance. There is usually a penalty for having the lessor do maintenance (if not done properly) when the plane is returned, and there is also a penalty for returning a plane before the end of a lease contract.
Would be great to see this implemented into the game! That's for sure.
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There are alot of missunderstanding with the Planage.
Mostly it is usefull to replace plans after 3 years.
but if the only way for you to scrap your 3years old plans it would be better to use them much longer.
because you will lose alot of the plans value for nothing.
after 3 years the plan have more then 90% of its original value.
as long as your fleet are not have bigger plans then 737 or a320 you can use them for 7 to 10 years cause the Maintenance Fees and the lose of the plane value can compensaed . Yes your profits not looks not so much as you use a new airliner but the value of the plans not dropp from 90% to 0%.
Sometimes it can make sense to buy older and much more used plans.
i uesed to buy some older plans for 50% of there value and use them for some years. this works fine.
my calculation is buy 3 older or 1 new. You can more profit out of the 3 old for 4-5 years.
actuel
Ticket Revenue
€32,466,446,952
Misc. Revenue (Monthly)
€433,691,856
Total Revenue (Monthly)
€32,900,138,808
Fuel Expense (Monthly)
€4,737,946,152
Staff Expense (Monthly)
€814,230,216
Misc. Expense (Monthly)
€2,372,822,270
Gate Rental Fees (Monthly)
€469,187,500
Maintenance Fees (Monthly)
€7,002,621,430
Total Costs (Monthly)
€15,396,807,568
Profit/Loss
€17,503,331,240
Average fleet age: 3.0 years
Oldest Plane 7,3 Years
Fleet
Aircraft Name Number in Fleet
Airbus A318 1130
Airbus A319 740
Airbus A319LR 1130
Airbus A320-100 190
Airbus A321-100 67
Airbus A330-200 180
Airbus A330-300 LR 78
Airbus A340-300 155
Airbus A340-300E 49
Airbus A340-500 46
Boeing 767-200ER 113
Bombardier CRJ-200 3
Bombardier CRJ-701 206
Bombardier CRJ-701ER 82
Bombardier CRJ-701LR 94
This World will run for nearly 3 more years and i have no need to renew the plans anymore.
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what prices u have on MIS like lunch and all the other stuff
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That is one hell of a fleet! :o What bases do you have? I suppose they are big. Would you mind providing a forum link to your airline?
And remember, you can't ever trust maintenance fees, they have their own lives...
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what prices u have on MIS like lunch and all the other stuff
set al to 24 thats the optimum
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That is one hell of a fleet! :o What bases do you have? I suppose they are big. Would you mind providing a forum link to your airline?
And remember, you can't ever trust maintenance fees, they have their own lives...
yes its a hell. But the world only go for 10 years so i never replace a plane.
how can i link to my fleet? i tried but it just link to the last world i was loged in
Airline Mogul - See my airline (http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/show_airline.php?id=32347&wid=2279)
PW#2279. 0n1y D4 8e57
Epiproctair - EPA
Code ICAO Airport Name Gates Utilisation
ORD KORD Chicago O'Hare International 89 100%
AMS EHAM Amsterdam Airport Schiphol 86 99%
PEK ZBAA Beijing Capital International 75 99%
DFW KDFW Dallas/Fort Worth International 72 99%
DEN KDEN Denver International 70 99%
DXB OMDB Dubai International Airport 20 98%
FRA EDDF Frankfurt Airport 85 100%
ATL KATL Hartsfield - Jackson Atlanta Int. 85 100%
HKG VHHH Hong Kong - Chek Lap Kok Int. 10 89%
LHR EGLL London Heathrow 96 99%
LAX KLAX Los Angeles International 64 99%
MAD LEMD Madrid-Barajas Airport 83 99%
JFK KJFK New York - John F Kennedy Int. 15 97%
JNB FAJS O.R. Tambo International 28 98%
CDG LFPG Paris Charles De Gaulle 100 100%
GRU SBGR São Paulo 39 98%
SYD YSSY Sydney Airport 23 100%
HND RJTT Tokyo Haneda International 62 97%
Or should i Say i have bases in all 40 Million + Cities and in the biggest of South America, South Africa and Australia
Since today i serve al 100.000 + Cities and alot of the smaller.
i know the problem with maintenance fees sometimes i have a year where the dobbelt without any reasons. but i can live with this. its not my first game im in 6 worlds right now in oneworld i used roundabout 1100 Pullmen for the last 30 years and make enough money. maybe i replace them when the A320 series are to order.
PW#1942. The Perfect World
Neue Luftreederei
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edit: As i wrote sometimes the maintamance fees dopple without a reason it nearly doppled right now. from 7 to 11 billion.
but its not so dramtic cause i make 11 billion profit. ;-)
Edit 2: 1 day after edit 1 and this month it drops down to 5 Billion and i make 20 Billion Profit.
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You are correct, I tried to tell that in my example (seems like it didn't go well). The Cessna's increase the average age, increasing maintenance. Let me give you another Cessna-747-example:
You have this fleet:
10x 747-400, age 1
3x Cessna 208, age 20
It costs roughly the same as this fleet:
7x 747-400, age 1
3x 747-400, age 20
3x Cessna 208, age 1
Average age is the same for both fleet, value is almost the same (the older the plane, the lower the value), so the maintenance will be almost the same. Example two is a little bit cheaper due to the thee 15-year old 747's loosing value.
But a brand new 747 might cost more than a 20-year old Cessna 208. Just note that the maintenance can get extremely high if your planes are very old. Currently I have 1.5 billion in maintenance fees with 389 7-year old planes.
Did it help? :)
I never really thought about MXF like that. But if that's true, it would mean that if I have a mixed fleet of 300 aircraft with an average age of 10 years, and I decide to buy 300 Antonov An-3T's (cost ~150mln in total) it would drastically decrease my MXF, right?
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yes its a hell. But the world only go for 10 years so i never replace a plane.
Wow. If that world lasted just 10 years, and there's like 2 years left, that would mean you build that airline in 8 game years. So basically you're saying you played AM like 20h each day :P Gotta respect the size tho. I've had some biiiiig airlines, but never as big as yours. Just under 700bln would be my personal best. But that took me ~20 game years... :o
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how can i link to my fleet? i tried but it just link to the last world i was loged in
Use the forum code:
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I never really thought about MXF like that. But if that's true, it would mean that if I have a mixed fleet of 300 aircraft with an average age of 10 years, and I decide to buy 300 Antonov An-3T's (cost ~150mln in total) it would drastically decrease my MXF, right?
That would be true
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yes its a hell. But the world only go for 10 years so i never replace a plane.
Wow. If that world lasted just 10 years, and there's like 2 years left, that would mean you build that airline in 8 game years. So basically you're saying you played AM like 20h each day :P Gotta respect the size tho. I've had some biiiiig airlines, but never as big as yours. Just under 700bln would be my personal best. But that took me ~20 game years... :o
Not more then 1 -2 hours a day.
I have much expirience with the Ticketrats.
Do you ever bought the advanced Gates search option. for 60 Free token you can sort the cities for distance passengers and so on.
i let me list all cities in a passengerrange from ther distance to me and put them on my planes. i normely bought 50 planes of the same typ and manage this in 1 -2 hours.
I used ranges like over 25 million for the very big like 777 or this time a330/a340,
25 -15 million for the 767-200ER and A330-200LR and A321
15 -5 for A320
5-1 for the A319/A319LR
1 - 100.000 for the A318/ Bomb. 701 Series
and then start from the farest posible airport and fill up the 50 airliners with the routes. the resttime i fill with the best fitting route in the same passengerrange. for ex.
A319 with a resttime of 5:43 you can fly a route like this
make the minutes to hours and add. the hours 43 /60 +5 = 5,71
Div 2 for a roundtrip 5,71 /2 = 2,86
Sub the passengerchangetime. 2,86 - 0.58 = 2,28
mul with the speed 2,28 * 452 = 1030
find a route thats slightly under 1030 and fill the plane with this route.
Don't take longer then 1 Minute each plane ;-)
The ticked prices only change aliitle bit from trip to trip so you can use the same ticked price for 20 - 30 routs without to much loose.
Simple like that
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And my newest World i play since Saturday, cause my other world not challenge me anymore;-)
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more than 10000 routes? :o What is your DOC? And to get a little back on topic, what are your daily maintenance?
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more than 10000 routes? :o What is your DOC? And to get a little back on topic, what are your daily maintenance?
My Doc is: € 1,064,714,462
And as i wrote in edit1 and 2
Last month my maintenance fees where 11 Billion and a profit of 12 Billion. Before it was 7 Billion with a profit of 18 billon
This month its drop down to Maintenance Fees (Monthly) €4,915,660,145 and a profit of 20 Billion :-)
So you see i know the "live" with the Maintenance Fees.
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Bombardier CRJ-200 3
Bombardier CRJ-701 206
Bombardier CRJ-701ER 82
Bombardier CRJ-701LR 94
On what routes do you use the CRJ700's?
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wow look at that amount of A380-800!!