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Airline Mogul => Game News => Topic started by: Daniel Doorgakant on October 11, 2007, 06:53:50 pm
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Just to let you know that the happy little Membership Director has a little more free time. I've noticed that even though the game has not started yet, airlines are already doing some *.5 abuse. These airlines have been suspended until they are further advised. When the game starts there will be Zero Tolerance on the *.5 abuse. You ARE allowed to have 0.5 frequency on routes, say if its a longhaul, all your plane can manage etc, just do not be foolish enough to place two *.5's on the same route, it really is not logical. If you are found to have multiple flights on the same route with this *.5 abuse, you will also be in the red. Set the frequency to 1, 2, 3 etc instead.
Use the *.5 frequency sensibly. Have a nice day :)
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CDG-LHR is again full of idiots... but I think I already sent you a message :twisted:
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how about those airlines have with few leased in planes?
I don't understand where the plane come from.
who will leased out their only plane at start?
The airlines with leased out plane:
ID:2887,2885,2884,4389,4154,4323,3168,3476,4376,5038
The airlines with leased in plane:
ID:4536,4478,4517,3324,2474,4546,648,5044(7 plane leased in),2061,4250
please take a look.
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According to StephenM, the limit is 2x0.5 per route so I hope the administrators will sort this discrepancy in rules out. Unfortunately, I find that 1x0.5 is still the best use of resources. Anyhow, the game will be reset again.
Hihi, I'm 2061! :lol: Shame the game will be reset since these leases I grabbed before going into debt are absolute steals! Cheap leases don't stay on the market long because people (like me) snatch them within seconds!
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According to StephenM, the limit is 2x0.5 per route so I hope the administrators will sort this discrepancy in rules out.
I take it to mean that you can have two 0.5 routes to the same destination--but not using the same aircraft.
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According to StephenM, the limit is 2x0.5 per route so I hope the administrators will sort this discrepancy in rules out.
I take it to mean that you can have two 0.5 routes to the same destination--but not using the same aircraft.
I think that'd be unreal as well!
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Why? It just means that you'd have two airplanes beginning and ending there every other day.
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Uh sorry, I misread your post. As far as I know, up to 2 0.5 are allowed. But than again read Daniel Doorgakant somewhere in this thread:
You ARE allowed to have 0.5 frequency on routes, say if its a longhaul, all your plane can manage etc, just do not be foolish enough to place two 0.5's on the same route, it really is not logical. If you are found to have multiple flights on the same route with this 0.5 abuse, you will also be in the red. Set the frequency to 1, 2, 3 etc instead.
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Uh sorry, I misread your post. As far as I know, up to 2 0.5 are allowed. But than again read Daniel Doorgakant somewhere in this thread:
You ARE allowed to have 0.5 frequency on routes, say if its a longhaul, all your plane can manage etc, just do not be foolish enough to place two 0.5's on the same route, it really is not logical. If you are found to have multiple flights on the same route with this 0.5 abuse, you will also be in the red. Set the frequency to 1, 2, 3 etc instead.
Im you saw that guy with 6-8 0.5's on CDG - LHR :wink: (The one you pointed out to me)
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There is one guy at LHR who has multiple 0.5s all over the UK.
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Here is where we need clarification...
If a single plane is doing more than two x.5 routes (that includes 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc., then it shouldn't be allowed, right?
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Just a question... is it a problem to have 0.5 frequencies to different destinations? For instance 1 0.5 frequency from Oporto to Frankfurt, then one from OPO to LHR then one from OPO to MAD?
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Just a question... is it a problem to have 0.5 frequencies to different destinations? For instance 1 0.5 frequency from Oporto to Frankfurt, then one from OPO to LHR then one from OPO to MAD?
IMO, I would think yes. It's impossible for an airplane to do three one-way trips in one day from the same city.
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It does have problems with realism, as discussed many times over last round. However Stephen decided to allow a max of 2x 0.5 per route. Therefore, 1x 0.5s is actually within the rules of this game to my understanding.
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Well... anyhow I've changed everything after the last reset! :)
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How did you earn more "free time"?
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He redeemed his "Frequent Busy Miles", but unfortunately he couldn't quite get the original date he wanted to have free time due to blackouts, and other restrictions. Luckily, AM fits around any blackout dates that the FBM program may throw at him.
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He redeemed his "Frequent Busy Miles", but unfortunately he couldn't quite get the original date he wanted to have free time due to blackouts, and other restrictions. Luckily, AM fits around any blackout dates that the FBM program may throw at him.
Oh... lol.. :P glad to hear.. ban them 0.5 freq. airlines
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I've introduced into the code (has been in there the entire age) an element which ramps up competition's effect on airlines with more then one or two routes between a given city pair, i still have not however coded in an outright ban of multiple routes between a city pair. I'll likely periodically tinker this up when it seems most prudent to do so. I will say the effect moves up pretty quickly, and hits every route of yours equally. The desired effect is that though it may still be slightly more profitable to do (3+)x.5 then 1x(1.5+), when competition enters the market you are hit a lot harder for doing (3+)x.5 then you are for doing 1x(1.5+). And yes, you do count as your own competition in this calculation.
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.. that's a lot better
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Just a question... is it a problem to have 0.5 frequencies to different destinations? For instance 1 0.5 frequency from Oporto to Frankfurt, then one from OPO to LHR then one from OPO to MAD?
Thats fine.
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can i just ask, what about if you have a fully itinery for eg on your DC3, but are able to fit one more 0.5 route into it (only one aircraft on that route) to get more money, can we get away with that?
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Erm, no?
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^ You wouldn't get away with that after telling us :wink:
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but in the first post it stated that you'll get banned only if you have more than one plane on the same route with a 0.5 freq. on the planes
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but in the first post it stated that you'll get banned only if you have more than one plane on the same route with a 0.5 freq. on the planes
That doesn't mean you can use only one plane and do 10 0.5 routes from GRU to CGH..
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Here is where we need clarification...
If a single plane is doing more than two x.5 routes (that includes 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc., then it shouldn't be allowed, right?
Just re-posting this on the 2nd page, because this is a quesiton I'd like to see answered.
There are some airlines out there whose entire route network is made up of one 0.5 frequency route per city to a bunch of different cities. In effect it doubles your airplane's hours, but it's blatantly unrealistic.
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I think this time, the .5 airlines are probebly getting themselves into deeper crap than last round. From my experiance so far, the script is written well enough to make a 2 or 3x more profitable.
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but in the first post it stated that you'll get banned only if you have more than one plane on the same route with a 0.5 freq. on the planes
That doesn't mean you can use only one plane and do 10 0.5 routes from GRU to CGH..
I dont think that you read the question that I posted at first or I didnt phrase it properly
can i just ask, what about if you have a fully itinery for eg on your DC3, but are able to fit one more 0.5 route into it (only one aircraft on that route) to get more money, can we get away with that?
It means that If i Want to open a new route, and only have one aircraft that I can put on that route (shorthaul Im talking about) and that aircraft cna do a maximum of only 0.5, can I start that route with 0.5 with that aircraft or not?
also, how long is long haul defined if we were going to do a long hauller?
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I think this time, the .5 airlines are probebly getting themselves into deeper crap than last round. From my experiance so far, the script is written well enough to make a 2 or 3x more profitable.
Yah, the script seems to have changed all over. Last round I operated 1-frequency-routes where possible, but this time it's quite easy to fill 2 or 3 freqs between a pair of bigger cities.
@iranair: I think one 0.5 frequency per route is ok... but you better reconfirm that with an admin...
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Here is where we need clarification...
If a single plane is doing more than two x.5 routes (that includes 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc., then it shouldn't be allowed, right?
Just re-posting this on the 2nd page, because this is a quesiton I'd like to see answered.
There are some airlines out there whose entire route network is made up of one 0.5 frequency route per city to a bunch of different cities. In effect it doubles your airplane's hours, but it's blatantly unrealistic.
Daniel says it is fine. (http://stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18145#18145)
I guess I'm going to re-do my strategy (not to mention defy common logic) and do nothing but 0.5 routes with my planes from now on.
I'm very disappointed, but, hey, if it gives me an advantage, and it's legal, why not?
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You could also try to simply play fair. By the way, with the new skript you seem to get the most money out of routes with 2 or 3 frequencies!
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Just play a game the way it's meant to be played, realistic or not. Ridge racer is hardly realistic.
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You could also try to simply play fair. By the way, with the new skript you seem to get the most money out of routes with 2 or 3 frequencies!
Here's how the "new script" works for me...
2-frequency route = 119k
Two 1-frequency routes = 189k
One 1-frequency route and two 0.5 frequency routes = 223k
This is on a route with two other airlines (one doing a 2-frequency and the other doing two 0.5 frequency).
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You could also try to simply play fair. By the way, with the new skript you seem to get the most money out of routes with 2 or 3 frequencies!
Here's how the "new script" works for me...
2-frequency route = 119k
Two 1-frequency routes = 189k
One 1-frequency route and two 0.5 frequency routes = 223k
This is on a route with two other airlines (one doing a 2-frequency and the other doing two 0.5 frequency).
But you're killing the game for everybod else on the route, great archievement :roll:
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But you're killing the game for everybod else on the route, great archievement :roll:
No. The other guy with two 0.5 frequencies also has 100% loads.
Here's another way to look at it.
You're standing in front of two identical slot machines. Both say, "You will win every five tries." On one machine, it says, "We pay out according to the pay tables listed on the machine." However, the other one says, "The casino management has allowed this machine to pay out 50% more than what is listed on the pay tables."
Which one would you play?
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so what should i do if i find airlines are abusing the 0.5 frequency?
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so what should i do if i find airlines are abusing the 0.5 frequency?
Send a PM to Daniel, dktc and/or StephenM.
Remember: it's only considered route abuse if they are flying the same route with more than two 0.5 frequencies.
Everything else w/r/t 0.5 routes is legal.
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so what should i do if i find airlines are abusing the 0.5 frequency?
Send a PM to Daniel, dktc and/or StephenM.
Remember: it's only considered route abuse if they are flying the same route with more than two 0.5 frequencies.
Everything else w/r/t 0.5 routes is legal.
I understand. Thanks for your help.
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so what should i do if i find airlines are abusing the 0.5 frequency?
Email staff a t airlinemogul dot com. It will get a staff member to respond.
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Just want to clarified, we are only allowed to have one 0.5 frequency per route?
Cause i remember last round we were allowed to have 2X 0.5.
If only one 0.5 is allowed, can i have 2 different planes set at 0.5 without enough hours to make 1 frequency route?
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It's two 0.5 frequencies. Doesn't matter if it's on one plane or two.
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It's two 0.5 frequencies. Doesn't matter if it's on one plane or two.
It was last round. This round... let's wait for the clarification from DanielD. He did say 1 0.5 in this thread.
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Here is where we need clarification...
If a single plane is doing more than two x.5 routes (that includes 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc., then it shouldn't be allowed, right?
Just re-posting this on the 2nd page, because this is a quesiton I'd like to see answered.
There are some airlines out there whose entire route network is made up of one 0.5 frequency route per city to a bunch of different cities. In effect it doubles your airplane's hours, but it's blatantly unrealistic.
Daniel says it is fine. (http://stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18145#18145)
I guess I'm going to re-do my strategy (not to mention defy common logic) and do nothing but 0.5 routes with my planes from now on.
I'm very disappointed, but, hey, if it gives me an advantage, and it's legal, why not?
I thought he was answering a different question there. I hope he was, since allowing multiple 0.5 frequencies per plane is unrealistic and unfair to those of us who want to play the game realistically.
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Here is where we need clarification...
If a single plane is doing more than two x.5 routes (that includes 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc., then it shouldn't be allowed, right?
Just re-posting this on the 2nd page, because this is a quesiton I'd like to see answered.
There are some airlines out there whose entire route network is made up of one 0.5 frequency route per city to a bunch of different cities. In effect it doubles your airplane's hours, but it's blatantly unrealistic.
Daniel says it is fine. (http://stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18145#18145)
I guess I'm going to re-do my strategy (not to mention defy common logic) and do nothing but 0.5 routes with my planes from now on.
I'm very disappointed, but, hey, if it gives me an advantage, and it's legal, why not?
I thought he was answering a different question there. I hope he was, since allowing multiple 0.5 frequencies per plane is unrealistic and unfair to those of us who want to play the game realistically.
Someone ask if he can have three 0.5 routes on a place. Each 0.5 route going to a different city. Daniel said yes. It doesn't matter if it's 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, or 99.5 because it's the .5 that makes the difference.
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If it's going to different cities.. sure it's fine... but since the loadfactor script is changed, i suggest 0.5 airliners to use 1 frequencies instead because it affects 0.5 frequencies more than it does to 1 freq.
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If it's going to different cities.. sure it's fine... but since the loadfactor script is changed, i suggest 0.5 airliners to use 1 frequencies instead because it affects 0.5 frequencies more than it does to 1 freq.
Without competition 0.5 frequencies to different cities make more money than 1 frequncies to different cities.
If you do a 0.5 frequency route without competition you can almost double the fare vs. 1 frequency on that same route. It may be slightly less than double so you don't make quite as much money on the route.
BUT....
Since you're only operating a 0.5 frequency you only use up half the hours on the route, while still making just as much money. If you do it for all your routes you've basically given yourself a 48 hour airplane. It's a cheap unrealistic way to double your plane's hours, and in my mind it should be classified as cheating.
No more than one 0.5 frequency route per plane is the rule in real life, and it should be the rule in the game.
The only exception is if you can trace a realistic daily route for that plane. For example, if a plane can do a 0.5 frequency route from City A to City B, another 0.5 frequency from City B to City C, and another 0.5 frequency from City C to City D. That would mean the plane spends one night in City A, the next night in City D, then back to City A and so on.
The unrealistic stuff is when a plane does 0.5 frequencies from one hub to 7 different cities during a day. That would mean the plane overnights in 7 different places at once, which is obviously unrealistic.
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Yea ... Turkey in Middle East... Mexico in Central America.. flying to North Korea is already unrealistic :lol:
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Yea ... Turkey in Middle East... Mexico in Central America.. flying to North Korea is already unrealistic :lol:
Ever heard of Air Koryo?
Ok, they only transport the high-ranking party members, but nonetheless!
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The unrealistic stuff is when a plane does 0.5 frequencies from one hub to 7 different cities during a day. That would mean the plane overnights in 7 different places at once, which is obviously unrealistic.
And, yet, it's still within the current rules, and if you look at most of the currently high ranking players, it's what they're doing.
I started out with all my routes at 1 freq. as I figured I'd play "legit", but since just about everyone else is blowin past me, I might just change mine for now. I do I think it's bad game mechanics, but not doing it currently gimps you.
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And, yet, it's still within the current rules, and if you look at most of the currently high ranking players, it's what they're doing.
I would like to point out most high ranking players you see right now have been banned due to deifferent reasons. Their accounts just haven't got deleted yet, which is why you still see them on the ranking list. :D
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Yea but it still affects people since their routes are still there?
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I heard there will be a lot of football and rugby today. That may be causing the delay among our admins!
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I heard there will be a lot of football and rugby today. That may be causing the delay among our admins!
Come on France! 8)
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Come on England!!
I do think the 0.5 frequency thing should be taken off the game altogether. I know in real life it happens but it would make the game fairer, and to a certain extent more challanging. Sod the cheaters, I'm not too bothered about the rankings. If I do well without cheating I'll be happy. The uys are only kidding themselves at the end of the day. If they didn't cheat they'd probably be stuck at the bottom of the table.
Rob
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Come on England!!
I do think the 0.5 frequency thing should be taken off the game altogether. I know in real life it happens but it would make the game fairer, and to a certain extent more challanging. Sod the cheaters, I'm not too bothered about the rankings. If I do well without cheating I'll be happy. The uys are only kidding themselves at the end of the day. If they didn't cheat they'd probably be stuck at the bottom of the table.
Rob
Can't take it of altogether... otherwise routes like CDG-SIN or CDG-SYD are going to be impossible.
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Yea ... Turkey in Middle East... Mexico in Central America.. flying to North Korea is already unrealistic :lol:
Ever heard of Air Koryo?
Ok, they only transport the high-ranking party members, but nonetheless!
Well, not exactly too true about Air Koryo. They also transport civilians into the country, I'm not too sure about N. Korean nationals, but I know for sure from reports I've read that normal civilians have flown with them. If you want a place that simply unrealistic to fly to, why not take a look-see at Amundson Scott Station?
I personally think that the best solution for hte .5 issue is to simply write in a code in the script to disallow more than 2 .5s per plane. I don't think there is nothing wrong with 1 or 2 frequencies, but past that, I really think that it's exploiting a "bug" in the game.
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Will created a new Loadfactor script.. that means 1 frequencies are less affected if another airline joins the "competition"
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Look guys, the game is less than 24 hours old. Frankly, the cheating a***holes who are sitting there smugly thinking 'look at me im way up the list already im such a smart ass' will soon be banned (I hope) and it will leave a truly excellent game where only the serious enthusiasts will compete.
Although, on a more cynical note, I suppose the game has already become like the airline industry, full of imbeciles who only see the immediate return, will do anything possible to produce that and care nothing for a sensible network routing and operations schedule!! :lol:
Or is that just me? :?:
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Watch your language
And disagreed to the last one
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Apologies.
Just gets me frustrated. Why cant everyone play nicely???? Surely the Satisfaction will be far greater?
BTW, will new aircraft be introduced in line with their real time EIS?
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Apologies.
Just gets me frustrated. Why cant everyone play nicely???? Surely the Satisfaction will be far greater?
BTW, will new aircraft be introduced in line with their real time EIS?
There are some people in the world that can't play fair.. they will do everything they can to be the best
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Look guys, the game is less than 24 hours old. Frankly, the cheating a***holes who are sitting there smugly thinking 'look at me im way up the list already im such a smart ass' will soon be banned (I hope) and it will leave a truly excellent game where only the serious enthusiasts will compete.
Although, on a more cynical note, I suppose the game has already become like the airline industry, full of imbeciles who only see the immediate return, will do anything possible to produce that and care nothing for a sensible network routing and operations schedule!! :lol:
Or is that just me? :?:
Tom --
I certainly appreciate what you're saying. Pretty much the whole forum is abuzz with annoyance at the obvious cheats. Being that the game is still a project at work, we have to expect that and point out (via PM or email) the obvious cheats to the mods.
Glad you like the game and look forward to competing against you. Try and take the 'long look' and see past the cheats here at the beginning. They'll be weeded out eventually. Enjoy the game and the true gamers here in the forum.
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Look guys, the game is less than 24 hours old. Frankly, the cheating a***holes who are sitting there smugly thinking 'look at me im way up the list already im such a smart ass' will soon be banned (I hope) and it will leave a truly excellent game where only the serious enthusiasts will compete.
Although, on a more cynical note, I suppose the game has already become like the airline industry, full of imbeciles who only see the immediate return, will do anything possible to produce that and care nothing for a sensible network routing and operations schedule!! :lol:
Or is that just me? :?:
Tom --
I certainly appreciate what you're saying. Pretty much the whole forum is abuzz with annoyance at the obvious cheats. Being that the game is still a project at work, we have to expect that and point out (via PM or email) the obvious cheats to the mods.
Glad you like the game and look forward to competing against you. Try and take the 'long look' and see past the cheats here at the beginning. They'll be weeded out eventually. Enjoy the game and the true gamers here in the forum.
Amen to that.
EDIT: Any word on the new aircraft EIS thing?????
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The AM-team is publishing another game; the "Banning Frenzy". For $19.99 you get to compete with time and the emails / pms from real life players and keep up with all the investigations and banning you need to do. This game is based on the concept of similar "frenzy" games, like Pizza Frenzy, Cake Mania, and Diner Dash. Come try it our for free for an hour at reflex*ve or download the cracked version through demono*d or other bt sites!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: Sarcasm!!!
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Do you play those Pizza whatever games you said?
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Do you play those Pizza whatever games you said?
I did... but now we have the Banning Frenzy, why would I still need those games? :P
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Oh.. can i join for free? That "Banning Frenzy" sure looks fun :lol:
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Look guys, the game is less than 24 hours old. Frankly, the cheating a***holes who are sitting there smugly thinking 'look at me im way up the list already im such a smart ass' will soon be banned (I hope) and it will leave a truly excellent game where only the serious enthusiasts will compete.
Although, on a more cynical note, I suppose the game has already become like the airline industry, full of imbeciles who only see the immediate return, will do anything possible to produce that and care nothing for a sensible network routing and operations schedule!! :lol:
Or is that just me? :?:
Agree completely.
I understand that profits for the shareholder are supposed to be the main concerns for an airline management team. Their dedication to and consequential dedication from the customers, employees and cities they serve are merely buzzwords now.
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Brussels - BRU
Flt No: Destination: Freq:
CY5673 Berlin-Schonefeld 1
CY5672 Berlin-Schonefeld 1
CY5671 Birmingham 0.5
CY5669 Birmingham 1
CY5677 Prague Ruzyne 1
Flt No: Departed: Freq:
AUA5458 Paris Charles De Gaule 1
NEI5482 Oslo Gardermoen 0.5
OAR153 Amsterdam 1
MAA3111 Dusseldorf 2
CVJ353 Paris Orly 2
EP5664 Zurich 1
GAL5353 Zurich 0.5
EIG6414 London Heathrow 1
NL3482 Eindhoven 1
PAK1853 London Heathrow 0.5
RXX2309 London Heathrow 0.5
HXA6193 Naples 0.5
HKZ6507 Vienna 0.5
HKZ4979 Vienna 0.5
HKZ6511 Vienna 0.5
HKZ6508 Vienna 0.5
V003549 Rotterdam 0.5
YKK4118 London Heathrow 1
BXS5541 Birmingham 1
QKF4933 Geneva 1
ESN2371 Zurich 0.5
SOB5471 Koln Bonn 1
S7S129 Frankfurt 0.5
LCL5807 London City 3
BOC3902 London Heathrow 1
i would like to ask is it acceptable???
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First one, probably yes,
The other one I don't know about,
The last one is definitely not allowed.
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First highlight is;
second highlight isn't;
posting this in public isn't either... but for the sake of clarification, I would leave this one here for now. (Apologies to players concerned).
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No, you gotta send a mail to the adress given in the "reporting an airline"-thread.
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Vienna - VIE
edited by mr.orange. Reason: please do not list airlines publicly, use the provided email address.
what is the difference???
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No, you gotta send a mail to the adress given in the "reporting an airline"-thread.
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Maybe someone can explain this.
A .5 frequency is a one way and a 1 frequency is a roundtrip? correct?
if so then why if I can get a 100% loadfactor on a rt is it not 2x the DOP of a one way with a 100% loadfactor?
Thanks
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A round trip gives twice the number of seats as a one-way. The more seats you have, the lower the benefit per added seat declines. The law of diminishing returns.
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before the law of diminishing returns
two 0.5 freqency route should have the same performance with one 1 freqency route
but the law of diminishing returns wont apply when you have the second, the third and even the tenth 0.5 freqency route in this game
but many players make abuse use of such bug to make huge profit
I dont think it is healthly at all
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OK, it does figure it right for a round trip. I was confusing myself when I was thinking about the .5 frequency thingy. The problem appears to be when you change from a one way to a round trip the demand for the return seems to be very less. This is across the board and why the .5 frequency is so inviting. Of course demand isn't going to be the same going both ways but it is way out of wack I believe.
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Yep, I agree :)
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OK, it does figure it right for a round trip. I was confusing myself when I was thinking about the .5 frequency thingy. The problem appears to be when you change from a one way to a round trip the demand for the return seems to be very less. This is across the board and why the .5 frequency is so inviting. Of course demand isn't going to be the same going both ways but it is way out of wack I believe.
The loadfactor code is changed so this is totally different.. so you actually earn more profit doing 1 freq. now
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OK, it does figure it right for a round trip. I was confusing myself when I was thinking about the .5 frequency thingy. The problem appears to be when you change from a one way to a round trip the demand for the return seems to be very less. This is across the board and why the .5 frequency is so inviting. Of course demand isn't going to be the same going both ways but it is way out of wack I believe.
ticket price goes down, but total revenue tends to go up.
you may be able to sell 100 seats at €700, you probably can't sell 200 seats at €700 because it's harder to find 200 people willing to pay that much than it is to find 100 people. Now, last age, you'd probably resort to finding 200 people that would pay €351 (so no huge advantage warranted the extra costs); THIS age, you could very well get 200 people to pay €375 or €400 a ticket. 100 seats at €700 would bring in €70,000, but 200 seats would bring in between €75,000 and €80,000. numbers pulled out of the top of my head. If you think because you could find 1 person to pay €1,000 for something, naturally 1,000 people would pay that much. You're probably wrong.
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*post deleted by dktc: 1. please don't accuse players in the open; 2. please don't undo moderator's editing, this is a warning*
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OK, it does figure it right for a round trip. I was confusing myself when I was thinking about the .5 frequency thingy. The problem appears to be when you change from a one way to a round trip the demand for the return seems to be very less. This is across the board and why the .5 frequency is so inviting. Of course demand isn't going to be the same going both ways but it is way out of wack I believe.
The loadfactor code is changed so this is totally different.. so you actually earn more profit doing 1 freq. now
Just played with one of my routes and doesn't appear so. One of my .5 earns 17,912. When I changed it to 1 the most I could get was 22,385. Not very good and really a waste of time to use that extra .5 for only 4,493 more in revenue.
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pennykeung please do not accuse players publicly..you may email staff@airlinemogul.com
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I switched all mine from 1.0 to 0.5 and added a few more routes with the extra hours available, and made +40k to my DOP. 1 airplane, 9 routes (no more than one 0.5 route to any one airport). They weren't even really great airports either.
Realistic? No.
Better profit within the current rules? Yup.
Last round, I only had 1 route where 1.0 had a bit more profit than 0.5, this time, 1.0 has always had more than 0.5, but not enough to make 1.0 more profitable than 0.5 overall. Why do 1.0 when I can do 0.5 on one gate and another 0.5 on another gate and make double+ the profit?
I do agree that the rules should change so that no plane can do more than one single 0.5 unlinked route. By "unlinked", I mean not doing a base->base->base->base run, which should be allowed, but I don't think the game actually factors that in at all?
Lets see what this one single airplane does.
1. Flies to airport #1 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
2. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
3. Flies to airport #2 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
4. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
5. Flies to airport #3 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
6. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
7. Flies to airport #4 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
8. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
9. Flies to airport #5 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
10. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
So on & so forth...
Even though it's currently within the rules, it's only just slightly less "cheating" than having multiple 0.5s on the same route.
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What about flying two 0.5 frequency with two different planes?
Because both planes cant make 1 frequency??
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What about flying two 0.5 frequency with two different planes?
Because both planes cant make 1 frequency??
Still not allowed if its to the same airport
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I switched all mine from 1.0 to 0.5 and added a few more routes with the extra hours available, and made +40k to my DOP. 1 airplane, 9 routes (no more than one 0.5 route to any one airport). They weren't even really great airports either.
Realistic? No.
Better profit within the current rules? Yup.
Last round, I only had 1 route where 1.0 had a bit more profit than 0.5, this time, 1.0 has always had more than 0.5, but not enough to make 1.0 more profitable than 0.5 overall. Why do 1.0 when I can do 0.5 on one gate and another 0.5 on another gate and make double+ the profit?
I do agree that the rules should change so that no plane can do more than one single 0.5 unlinked route. By "unlinked", I mean not doing a base->base->base->base run, which should be allowed, but I don't think the game actually factors that in at all?
Lets see what this one single airplane does.
1. Flies to airport #1 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
2. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
3. Flies to airport #2 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
4. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
5. Flies to airport #3 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
6. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
7. Flies to airport #4 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
8. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
9. Flies to airport #5 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
10. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
So on & so forth...
Even though it's currently within the rules, it's only just slightly less "cheating" than having multiple 0.5s on the same route.
I'm finding the same. I accidentally found this out when I wanted to add an extra flight to a higher revenue airport (MCO versus BTR). It seems the .5's do generate significantly more cash. However, when I get new planes I'll be changing the .5's to 1's.
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I'm finding the same. I accidentally found this out when I wanted to add an extra flight to a higher revenue airport (MCO versus BTR). It seems the .5's do generate significantly more cash. However, when I get new planes I'll be changing the .5's to 1's.
Me too. I think as we get larger capacity aircraft and more competition, the .5's will have less value.
/wave's to N'awlins competition
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Lets see what this one single airplane does.
1. Flies to airport #1 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
2. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
3. Flies to airport #2 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
4. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
5. Flies to airport #3 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
6. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
7. Flies to airport #4 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
8. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
9. Flies to airport #5 loaded with passengers - uses up hours.
10. Magically reappears at base - uses no hours to get back
So on & so forth...
Even though it's currently within the rules, it's only just slightly less "cheating" than having multiple 0.5s on the same route.
This was something else I was going to bring up. If they want the .5 freq "abuse" to stop. Make the profit on a rt much closer to double the one way and have the aircraft use up hours to return to base if that's where its next flight with originate from.
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I agree. The aircraft needs to be using up hours when it returns to base to make it more realistic. Seeing some crafts with the number of 0.5 routes they have is just not realistic. I am only saying this to share my opinion to try to help the game. I think it's a great game.
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So is it OK to fly 6 1-freq flights to the same airport?
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That is a good question. 6 (1 frequency runs) to one airport seems to be more profitable than 1 (6 frequency run). So I echo that. Is it ok to have 6 (1 frequency runs) to the same airport?
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So is it OK to fly 6 1-freq flights to the same airport?
That should be fine with the rules& with reality.
Could we simply implement a rule that if a plane has more than two 0.5 route the aircraft has to use its houers on one flight back to base?
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To answer my own question I think it is as found in this topic on gate hogging
http://www.stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1796
- max of 10 frequencies between any two airports
- max of 2 0.5 frequencies per route
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Does that mean a max of 1( 10 frequency route) or could i have 10 (10 frequency routes) from Airport A to Airport B.
I am confused. If I want to set up a base at another airport then I have to buy four gates at that airport. This means to fill up those gates I would need 40 frequencies going to that airport from my home airport.
Cheers.
Sensfan.
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To build the base, you don't need to actually use the 4 gates. You can also rent-and-return them, but it will cost you slightly more money. And to answer your first question: both, as it's essentially the same (1x10 = 10x1). This AxB = BxA does not apply to 0.5 frequency routes, where you can have a max of 2 0.5 frequency routes to the same airports.
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So just to clarify. From airport A to airport B. I can have either 10 (1 freq routes) or 1 (10 freq route). Anything more is cheating?
So that means I can't have say 11 (1 freq routes) or a 1 (10 freq route) and a 1 (1 freq route) beacause 11 is above 10?
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Correct.
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Thanks Mr. Orange. I appreciate the clarification and time. :)
Cheers,
Sensfan.
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So 10 freq routes are allowed?
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So 10 freq routes are allowed?
As long as you have NO other service on that particular route.
Example: Aircraft 1 ZZZ-YYY 10 freq. OK
Aircraft 1 ZZZ-YYY 8 freq.
Aircraft 2 ZZZ-YYY .5freq This is ok, total of 10 freq, not more than 2- .5 routes
Aircraft 3 ZZZ-YYY .5 freq
Aircraft 4 ZZZ-YYY 1 freq
Aircraft 1 ZZZ-YYY 10 freq.
Aircraft 2 ZZZ-YYY .5 freq. Not OK, more than total of 10 freq.
Aircraft 3 ZZZ- YYY .5 freq.
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Oh :D
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I'm finding the same. I accidentally found this out when I wanted to add an extra flight to a higher revenue airport (MCO versus BTR). It seems the .5's do generate significantly more cash. However, when I get new planes I'll be changing the .5's to 1's.
This is what I did. I flew a whole bunch of hub/spoke .5 freq routes until I generated enough money to purchase planes and switch to 1 freq routes.
I don't believe I have any .5 routes left, and if I do it's no more than 1 to fill out a planes hours.
I would probably ( :D ) make more money the old way, but I no longer feel like a cheater, so I enjoy my "game" more now.
My point (insofar as I have one) is that everybody plays the game differently, and for different reasons. I hope the mods enforce the rules they have in place, and I hope my competitors play to win- with honor.
I'm enjoying it so far, and I want to thank the mods/developers/owners for their work.
Hammer of the Gods- Your northern Europe connection.
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As one of the smaller airlines I would like to say that such a rule does not seem to be fair. If one has 2 planes and both of them have 0,5 frequency left I would not say it's not reasonable to put them both on the most profitable route. And as these frequencies are daily so we get about 14 frequencies per month, which is ok in real life.
And second idea, to take any sanctions one should first make some affort and notify every reasonable player about the RULES. Are there any mentioning of this rule in the manual? or maybe there are any warning messages? Or maybe there is a section called RULES on this site? All the answers are NO.
This is an unfair condition, because person should be informed of any special rules, bans and the conciquences.
And what will happen to people who violate this frequency rule?
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Maybe there's this huge thread, some other threads, numerous warnings from game admins all over the forum, in-game notifications, and probably some things I forgot.
Re:What will happen: The routes violating the rule will be closed.
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As one of the smaller airlines I would like to say that such a rule does not seem to be fair. If one has 2 planes and both of them have 0,5 frequency left I would not say it's not reasonable to put them both on the most profitable route. And as these frequencies are daily so we get about 14 frequencies per month, which is ok in real life.
And second idea, to take any sanctions one should first make some affort and notify every reasonable player about the RULES. Are there any mentioning of this rule in the manual? or maybe there are any warning messages? Or maybe there is a section called RULES on this site? All the answers are NO.
This is an unfair condition, because person should be informed of any special rules, bans and the conciquences.
And what will happen to people who violate this frequency rule?
1. The rule is fair. It is just that you can't have more than 2 0.5 frequncies between any pair of airports. If you have time left for 0.5, you could put it in, as long as you don't do more than 2 to the same destination from the same origin.
2. That would be a good idea. Stephen has been trying to add the rules to the registration page, but bug fixing took priority. We would certainly look into that. However, we will not be emailing warnings to players this round because we have found that ineffective from the experience of the last round. Most people ignore the warning and the warning period delays the closure of the routes. The warning itself also takes the time of checking 3 accounts on average, which means by eliminating the warning process, we can check 4 times as many accounts in the same period of time.
3. For the accounts I inspected, they get banned with their routes closed. Then right after the suspension of their accounts, they get an email from me to their registered email. If however, their emails are fake, then I can't do anything about that. (That would be their own fault to put in a false email). The email states that the accounts have been suspended and to email me back to reinstated them. As soon as I receive the replies, the accounts got release. The players that have experiences this would tell you the same thing. Mind you, there could be some delays, because I do have classes and I need sleep. However, every accounts suspended due to that reason has been reactivated within 12 hours of the players' reply. Average time is about an hour or so, because I am always here.
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Are there any in game warnings? And is it compulsary to visit this forum?
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Are there any in game warnings? And is it compulsary to visit this forum?
It is not compulsory, and if you want the in game warnings, we will get it done asap. The process itself will not change though.
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I think there are in-game warnings somewhere, I recall seeing some. And no, it's not compulsory to visit the forum, but I'd say it's rather useless to play the game and not visit the forum. There's a link to it in the navigation bar.
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You could have seen some in game warnings in two cases: a) you violate this rule yourself, b) you have more than one account :wink:
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You could have seen some in game warnings in two cases: a) you violate this rule yourself, b) you have more than one account :wink:
Those aren't in-game warnings though. And both 1 and 2 are things that'd be hard to find on my account. I don't think I have even 1 X.5-frequency route :)
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Well this not a case for discussion. IMHO the RULES are needed
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We can always open a new forum section for that. However, in the meantime, the numerous Stickies on this subject should be enough of a warning.
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We can always open a new forum section for that. However, in the meantime, the numerous Stickies on this subject should be enough of a warning.
Apparently not seeing how much work I have :roll:
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You're not the only one here :wink:
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One of our admins could "deface" the AM index page in bold text, stating the policy on 0.5s as an interim fix.
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:shock: So we now changed back to 2X0.5, correct?? :roll:
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:shock: So we now changed back to 2X0.5, correct?? :roll:
My boss's boss said 2. I will get back to you in 24 hours max :roll:
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The current Number 1 in rankings *airline deleted* is flying ONLY 0.5 Routes!?
So this is ok?
Ihave to fight against these competition. And it´s really hard.
So if this is ok i would go an fly only 0.5 routes too. If it´s not ok - do something against this. maybe delete the chance to create half routes.
*edited by dktc: please don't publicly accuse fellow players*
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INA - completely agree - just started in my base and set up 68 (out of 69) 0.5 flights, killing my DOP. :(
Is this how you win this game....................
(psssst you arent meant to name people ;) )
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JM1878, see my email.
All I can say is that the airline is legal... and as much as I want to delete it (because I am jealous :P ), I can't. There is nothing I could do.
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My correspondence with StephenM 2-3 days before the round started.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/a340_313x/Junk/stephenforumconvo.jpg
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My correspondence with StephenM 2-3 days before the round started.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/a340_313x/Junk/stephenforumconvo.jpg
He was incorrect, as in all complaints would be investigated (well... at least all that I receive :P ). Whether actions would be taken depends on the outcome of the investigation though.
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Thanks for the email dktc :)
Pacific - any chance you could adjust your strategy a little? For the sake of the game and the fun of others, even if it is technically not against the 'rules'? Turn a few of those one-ways into round trips or something.
Would be great if you would have a think about it.
Cheers
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Thanks for the email dktc :)
Pacific - any chance you could adjust your strategy a little? For the sake of the game and the fun of others, even if it is technically not against the 'rules'? Turn a few of those one-ways into round trips or something.
Would be great if you would have a think about it.
Cheers
Well, what I'm doing is really exactly the same as what other top ranked players (minus brokers) are doing. Even if I'm eliminated, others would still do it, overtake my DOP, take the #1 rank off me and use their strength to go all-out everywhere. As I've said in past posts, play this as a game and not a simulation. F*bleep* realism!
There really is no answer to this problem until AM Management manages to fix this rather complicated LF script evidenced by a mistake by a programmer last night while enhancing the code led to 140 of my routes being affected. That's why we really have no choice but to simply wait and have faith as they are constantly at work unlike the "blue" game.
Ironically, I already consider myself to be rather "tame", as I have not taken the rules to the limit by doing 2x 0.5s everywhere like some other players. Last round was even worse, with 5x 0.5s being very common.
How have I managed to rocket to the top? I saw other 1x 0.5 people on my tail but with suboptimal route and fleet structures, so my airline size is not only due to the 0.5. Another guy in Europe's caught onto my strategy and he will rocket up to #2 at this rate.
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Ok no problems :)
However, I would argue that the fact this is just a game would mean that I wouldn't (or I am not) hell bent on coming top, but would rather everyone enjoyed it.
But I don't really care that much for it be too much of an issue tbh.
As they say, when in Rome....!
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This is EXACTLY why they need to add more measures of success.
http://www.stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2175
Give players more ways to #1 in something. Last round there was no way I could be #1 in value as I started late. So I aimed to climb as high in NA as possible and to push my passengers carried as high as I could, and I think I did pretty well.
Add more possibilities and there may be less complaining.
:idea: :idea: :idea:
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The .05 routes absolutely suck, for those of us here for a SIMULATION, not a game, you cant compete against 68 .05 routes. At this point i dont think they should be allowed unless your just using them to round out a planes flying hours.
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The .05 routes absolutely suck, for those of us here for a SIMULATION, not a game, you cant compete against 68 .05 routes. At this point i dont think they should be allowed unless your just using them to round out a planes flying hours.
Tell me what freq you can use on AMS to BOS... if you ever find a plane (in 1950) that can do 1 freq.. tell me
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Yeah, and me.
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The .05 routes absolutely suck, for those of us here for a SIMULATION, not a game, you cant compete against 68 .05 routes. At this point i dont think they should be allowed unless your just using them to round out a planes flying hours.
Tell me what freq you can use on AMS to BOS... if you ever find a plane (in 1950) that can do 1 freq.. tell me
Well, one argument could be that (regardless of actual history) this is very early in the game, so perhaps not having 0.5s and thus not long haul would naturally slow down expansion a little bit which I think would be a good thing. I am new and looking at how quickly airlines expand in a few game months is insane to me.
But, what about (as a short term fix) limiting 0.5s to over a certain distance. I know this isnt perfect (as there are justifications for short haul 0.5s) but for now this would allow people to get these long haul routes up and running with the current planes, but cut out someone setting up 70 short 0.5 routes in one go to all routes from a major airport.
On that note, I also think there should be a limit to how many new routes you can open up each game day. As this is a game people arent here 24jrs a day. By not letting someone move into a new area and wipe out the competition literally while they are sleeping :) and holding back their expansion a bit, this would allow competition in the area to react with a little more realism. It would mean players could try and alter their strategy gradually to fend off a new threat, rather than logging in after work and seeing that they have to change everything in one swoop.
Just some thoughts from a newbie - so I am sure more experienced players will have plenty to disagree with! :D
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The .05 routes absolutely suck, for those of us here for a SIMULATION, not a game, you cant compete against 68 .05 routes. At this point i dont think they should be allowed unless your just using them to round out a planes flying hours.
Tell me what freq you can use on AMS to BOS... if you ever find a plane (in 1950) that can do 1 freq.. tell me
Well, one argument could be that (regardless of actual history) this is very early in the game, so perhaps not having 0.5s and thus not long haul would naturally slow down expansion a little bit which I think would be a good thing. I am new and looking at how quickly airlines expand in a few game months is insane to me.
But, what about (as a short term fix) limiting 0.5s to over a certain distance. I know this isnt perfect (as there are justifications for short haul 0.5s) but for now this would allow people to get these long haul routes up and running with the current planes, but cut out someone setting up 70 short 0.5 routes in one go to all routes from a major airport.
On that note, I also think there should be a limit to how many new routes you can open up each game day. As this is a game people arent here 24jrs a day. By not letting someone move into a new area and wipe out the competition literally while they are sleeping :) and holding back their expansion a bit, this would allow competition in the area to react with a little more realism. It would mean players could try and alter their strategy gradually to fend off a new threat, rather than logging in after work and seeing that they have to change everything in one swoop.
Just some thoughts from a newbie - so I am sure more experienced players will have plenty to disagree with! :D
I'd say no.. because if i wanted to operate a plane that had smaller range to BOS, it would be impossible then
And to the first paragraph, last round you couldn't do Bogota to Auckland without 0.5 freq
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On that note, I also think there should be a limit to how many new routes you can open up each game day. As this is a game people arent here 24jrs a day. By not letting someone move into a new area and wipe out the competition literally while they are sleeping :)
I had an arse in the "blue" game who would purposely wait for me to sleep before opening a whole load of new routes. That game had a buggy load factor script so I woke up with a whole bunch of routes with 0% loadfactor.
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On that note, I also think there should be a limit to how many new routes you can open up each game day. As this is a game people arent here 24jrs a day. By not letting someone move into a new area and wipe out the competition literally while they are sleeping :)
I had an arse in the "blue" game who would purposely wait for me to sleep before opening a whole load of new routes.
That guy must be smart :lol:
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The .05 routes absolutely suck, for those of us here for a SIMULATION, not a game, you cant compete against 68 .05 routes. At this point i dont think they should be allowed unless your just using them to round out a planes flying hours.
Tell me what freq you can use on AMS to BOS... if you ever find a plane (in 1950) that can do 1 freq.. tell me
Well, one argument could be that (regardless of actual history) this is very early in the game, so perhaps not having 0.5s and thus not long haul would naturally slow down expansion a little bit which I think would be a good thing. I am new and looking at how quickly airlines expand in a few game months is insane to me.
But, what about (as a short term fix) limiting 0.5s to over a certain distance. I know this isnt perfect (as there are justifications for short haul 0.5s) but for now this would allow people to get these long haul routes up and running with the current planes, but cut out someone setting up 70 short 0.5 routes in one go to all routes from a major airport.
On that note, I also think there should be a limit to how many new routes you can open up each game day. As this is a game people arent here 24jrs a day. By not letting someone move into a new area and wipe out the competition literally while they are sleeping :) and holding back their expansion a bit, this would allow competition in the area to react with a little more realism. It would mean players could try and alter their strategy gradually to fend off a new threat, rather than logging in after work and seeing that they have to change everything in one swoop.
Just some thoughts from a newbie - so I am sure more experienced players will have plenty to disagree with! :D
I would also say that this solution wouldn't work. Some of us have some 2 hours on our planes and could very well use a .5 on a short route. a 2x max per plane in my opinion is very reasonable, despite the small issues. I also think that wouldn't been helpful too, all those airlines that have like 68 .5s were able to operate some 15-30 routes within their first day, while those who didn't could only do some 4-20, so they could naturally take advantage of a larger amount of routes and get the higher DOPs.
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Actually you get more DOP if you do 1 freq flights... loadfactor script changed by Will
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What LOT means is, it's far more efficient time-to-money wise to do a whole load of 0.5s.
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What LOT means is, it's far more efficient time-to-money wise to do a whole load of 0.5s.
Sure is but you're carrying less passengers.. that can affect your airline value too.. :lol:
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As I said, I thought some more experienced people would disagree :lol:
I also said it wasn't perfect and wasn't the final solution. And, part of my thoughts are to slow down expansion - going from 500k euros or whatever we started with to 1000,000,000 in just a few game months is too quick in my opinion. So I think slower progress would be a good thing, with the efficiency of your planes (ie the extra hour or two they have left over if you cant fit them into round trip routes) improving over time.
I myself have got my DOP up to two million in 6 months - I dont know how this rates to others but I think that is too much too quick, so I would be all for measures that limited routes and things early in the game.
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Very true. Last round, I entered late and it took me 2 weeks with better equipment to reach the amount of DOP I have right now.
It took 6 days on these rubbish planes to do it this time. If I had Dash 8-300s and 717BGWs at my disposal, I may be able to do it in 4 days.
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As I said, I thought some more experienced people would disagree :lol:
I also said it wasn't perfect and wasn't the final solution. And, part of my thoughts are to slow down expansion - going from 500k euros or whatever we started with to 1000,000,000 in just a few game months is too quick in my opinion. So I think slower progress would be a good thing, with the efficiency of your planes (ie the extra hour or two they have left over if you cant fit them into round trip routes) improving over time.
I myself have got my DOP up to two million in 6 months - I dont know how this rates to others but I think that is too much too quick, so I would be all for measures that limited routes and things early in the game.
It is true that you can get rich quick, but the challenge is maintaining that wealth. Pan American became the biggest airline in the world rather quickly, but the airline fell into disarray and lost control of that title very quickly, eventually declaring bankruptcy. The only difference between this game is there is no route regulation or price regulation. You can go from Tokyo-Osaka ten times a day and charge 10 euros if you want, but to become successful, you have to keep changing to respond to the market.
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As I said, I thought some more experienced people would disagree :lol:
I also said it wasn't perfect and wasn't the final solution. And, part of my thoughts are to slow down expansion - going from 500k euros or whatever we started with to 1000,000,000 in just a few game months is too quick in my opinion. So I think slower progress would be a good thing, with the efficiency of your planes (ie the extra hour or two they have left over if you cant fit them into round trip routes) improving over time.
I myself have got my DOP up to two million in 6 months - I dont know how this rates to others but I think that is too much too quick, so I would be all for measures that limited routes and things early in the game.
It is true that you can get rich quick, but the challenge is maintaining that wealth. Pan American became the biggest airline in the world rather quickly, but the airline fell into disarray and lost control of that title very quickly, eventually declaring bankruptcy. The only difference between this game is there is no route regulation or price regulation. You can go from Tokyo-Osaka ten times a day and charge 10 euros if you want, but to become successful, you have to keep changing to respond to the market.
This is a game... there is no "staff strike" in AM.. :lol:
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The .05 routes absolutely suck, for those of us here for a SIMULATION, not a game, you cant compete against 68 .05 routes. At this point i dont think they should be allowed unless your just using them to round out a planes flying hours.
Tell me what freq you can use on AMS to BOS... if you ever find a plane (in 1950) that can do 1 freq.. tell me
The long haul routes aren't the problem. Its the airline that uses almost exclusive short hops, with 68 flights daily that 99 percent are .05 routes. They could easily be round trip routes. It just sucks the fun out of a simulation. I understand the need for long haul .05 routes especially at this point in the time frame, perhaps I was too hasty earlier. In any event something has to be done. I don't have a problem using the routes to round out a particular aircrafts schedule but to just use .05 routes from one point for an entire aircrafts schedule is just plain cheating.
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Here is where we need clarification...
If a single plane is doing more than two x.5 routes (that includes 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc., then it shouldn't be allowed, right?
This question has never really been definitively answered here, and now that we have someone questioning it, a little revisit seems in order.
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Here is where we need clarification...
If a single plane is doing more than two x.5 routes (that includes 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc., then it shouldn't be allowed, right?
This question has never really been definitively answered here, and now that we have someone questioning it, a little revisit seems in order.
With reference to this post, http://stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=32234#32234
I would admit that there is a grey area in this rule. We have always been talking 0.5's while we are referring to all .5's. All of the n.5 flights would give considerable advatange when compared to the relevant (n+1) flight. The n.5 flights are technically the same as 0.5 vs 1.0. In my most recent reminder post (http://stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3424), I have used .5's instead of 0.5's to reflect this fact, as well as the mentality of the admins.
However, seeing that there exists a grey area, we ahve not been enforcing this rule when it concerns flights with frequencies other than 0.5's so far. The one complaint we have had is a result of a miscommunication.
We will be modifying the wordings of this rule and make sure all our players are aware of it by the next reset.
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the fact is that, in the last round, you could make a better DOP with 0.5 flights rather than 1. when you tried to put a 1.0 frequency, you had to lower the price so much that it ended up to the same than 0.5 or not so much more
Maybe if you remedied that.... making round trip flights more profitable than .5s flights
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What are the benifits to having 0.5's on routes and why are they is it so strongly discouraged to have more than one .5 per route? How big a difference is it?
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What are the benifits to having 0.5's on routes and why are they is it so strongly discouraged to have more than one .5 per route? How big a difference is it?
Oh they used to have this big advantage over 1 freq routes.. they basically operate at lower costs and have the same profits as 1 freq routes. Thanks to Will, he edited that. Making .5 60% less profitable than it is earlier. :lol:
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Thanks to Will, he edited that. Making .5 60% less profitable than it is earlier. :lol:
Have you tried 0.5 routes? Then you know that is far from the truth.
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basically on most routes,2 O.5 flights on different routes bring more money than 1 frequency flight on one route, as the price of tickets do not drop as fast
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Thanks to Will, he edited that. Making .5 60% less profitable than it is earlier. :lol:
Have you tried 0.5 routes? Then you know that is far from the truth.
It is not. This is based on a route WITH competition. In the 2000's round you earned more In the 1950's you earned way less even with lower fuel costs and staff costs.