Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Seattlepilot on October 04, 2008, 05:17:21 pm
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I am not sure if i like the new AM. Here are my reasons :
- Too many graphics. I like simple websites, like the one you had before.
- A lot more pictures , it's fine and dandy but what will be the impact of this to the server load?
- Aircraft list lacks age column. This is a major drawback. I use this feature a lot to replace aging aircraft , now i have to click on the individual aircraft to find out the age.
- I like pull down menus vs. the submenu system adopted on this release.
I am still looking at more stuff and will add more things here.. My biggest issue is the website being too crowded.
Seattlepilot
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AM was completely outdated. it was something from the early 2000s design era, largely from a person who cant design to save his life. (Me) it was re-themed to be improved, and that helped with the aim to bring it into something that reflects current design. (The last design and this)
Server load problems are mainly database related.
Age is there, its currently in a row that you expand. We can change around the data displayed.
The dropdowns that were in use didn't work with most browsers, despite their simple nature, so they had to be changed.
Remember, change isn't for everyone. Every time we release something new, someone is bound to be happier with the old. We are here to move the game forward in a general sense, it doesn't always work though.
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SM, I like it at first glance. It is a modern fresh design with more links on each page. Private world will be good. I like the filtering in the market pages. Could do with displaying the days to delivery on the aircraft list without having to expand (especially once having dozens on order)
And the edit selection back on the route page without having to expand would be nice, as would the LF in plain view be.
Overall, well done.
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well done!! really well done! a good refresh of the old theme, very intersting the option Research Routes, i wait it for a long time....just one question, i don't found the Google map routes....
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well done!! really well done! a good refresh of the old theme, very intersting the option Research Routes, i wait it for a long time....just one question, i don't found the Google map routes....
research route was there since the dawn of time ???
route map is in admin
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well done!! really well done! a good refresh of the old theme, very intersting the option Research Routes, i wait it for a long time....just one question, i don't found the Google map routes....
Research route was there before. Are you using Internet Explorer? Maybe it was not available on that browser.
As for the Google maps version of routes, see here under Admin. There you can go to "traditional" or Google versions of your route map.
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grogri, research route has been around for a long time....
google maps here: http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/admin.php
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Smaller fonts and proper use of wide displays make for a much better interface.
Before, on a 1680x1050 screen, I had the aircraft list all squeezed to the left with mostly all plane names and whatnot wrapped on 3 lines, while half the screen was just blank wasted space. Now it looks WAY better!
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Two questions regarding private worlds: token costs of creating one (are they only shown at the end of the creation?), and if there could be folder on the forum for discussing/joining/recruiting for these (kinda like the alliance folder now?)
Aircraft market looks way better, and the impending aircraft deliviries feature is great for at work / at a glance gameplay
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Two questions regarding private worlds: token costs of creating one (are they only shown at the end of the creation?), and if there could be folder on the forum for discussing/joining/recruiting for these (kinda like the alliance folder now?)
Yes, just "spec" up your world, put in the options you want, and click on the Calculate Cost button to get a cost, if you are happy, you can then create the world.
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Personally, I really liked the old look - the new one will take some time to get used to - but am sure I'll start loving it :-*
I found two bugs so far:
1. I cannot click on the '+' sign on the View Aircraft/View Route page (using IE) - comes up with an error
2. The maintenance cost on the Aircraft page are incorrect - showing a completely different (lower) figure than in Finances.
Thanks for the great game!
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The pull-down menus seem to work with Firefox and most modern browsers. I've also seen some JavaScript that can be added to the code (works with HTML, not sure about XHTML/XML) so that in browsers that can support the pull-down menu, it'll show as a pull-down menu, in those that can't, it will behave like your current design - click to expand the menu. :D
PM me ingame (Xenia Airways, World 9) if you'd like the link to the code (I'll have to dig it up). If you PM me on the forum, I probably won't reply for a while since I don't check here often.
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I log in at the following page
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/index.php
after login i get to the 'chose world' screen
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/select_world.php
Once i select 'Public World #10' I get to the following page.
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/view_world.php?wid=10
So , the problem is took me some 10-15 minutes to figure out that this was a 'view' screen.
'Enter the world ' is a single , small link on the right side.
Once again, the easy to use , very functional design is gone and now we have a website that is crowded, very complex and hard to get used to.
Stephen, I have so much respect for the work that you and your teammates put together. I simply don't buy the 'change is hard sometimes'. Design of a website is not something that you make a big leap forward like you guys did.. You have to take a look at the Southwest Airlines website to see a simple, very functional website. It has also changed very little in last 10-15 years.
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Under aircraft main menu :
Statistics has some dead links: total # of routes, total destinations, daily pax.
Mx cost figure, which is a hyperlink, doesn't match with the figure you display on the resulting page..
Under Aircraft - > Aircraft Market :
The delivery time of a pair of A319s jumped to 68 days from 40ish before the upgrade.
One thing i like: Aircraft filter section. No more 'next page's forever or trying to guess the page by changing the URL.
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One thing i like: Aircraft filter section. No more 'next page's forever or trying to guess the page by changing the URL.
Thats not working exactly how its supposed to, there is a bug where sometimes it takes out part of the aircraft you filter out.
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well done!! really well done! a good refresh of the old theme, very intersting the option Research Routes, i wait it for a long time....just one question, i don't found the Google map routes....
research route was there since the dawn of time ???
route map is in admin
ops.. :roll:..i don't remember, i think its for internet explorer.... :-[
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OMG the new look is REALLY NICE!! its gonna take some time to get used to but its NICEEEEEEE!! thanks guys :D
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Awesome changes. It looks great! 8)
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Found another bug. When I went to create my world it said my world costs 55 tokens and then underneath it said i had 55 tokens and couldn't afford it. and yes im sure it said it cost 55 and said i had 55.I wish there would be a cap on the cost of worlds maybe like 250 tokens. I was bored and researched a world where everyone got 5 747's...... the cost 19,735,844,608,228,520 tokens. :o :o :o One suggestion on creating world, on the drop down menus include off to the side the affect on the token cost So say when you start on zero years you move it up to ten years and to the side it says 1 year +3 2 years +6 and so one or like on the aircraft it says the cost to add them. Then when you click on update it changes where then 9 years says -3. Sorry I know that was incredibly confusing.
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Question on the new 'View Aircraft' page:
1. I understand 'Age' is still visible if you expand the information on each aircraft - but is it no longer possible to sort by 'Age'?
2. Also, the 'Book Value' of the a/c is gone...it was really useful when making decisions on selling planes.
Are there any workarounds for either of the above? (I guess using the Aircraft ID as a proxy...not too far, but also not quite what I am looking for...)
Thank you!
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Gate rental with negative funds - won't let me rent a gate at -100mil. This happened in the older version as well, but this time it didn't write out the result of the gate rental (tried OCP and regular as well). By the way what is the limit at which gates can't be rented?
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Somewhere in the region of 5-10% of value.
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I can't scrap airplanes. It is at 24 hours and it says "Make sure all routes are closed and that the plane is yours"
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Apart from the reported bugs, I'd like to get some focused feedback on new features, and looking at the posts in this thread, the main issue here would be the View Routes page. So, let's get to the point. 1) What data, in your opinion, should be placed on the main row, and 2) do you oppose the introduction of more icons if it makes options more accessible, that sort of stuff. For an example of the use of icons, just look at the View Aircraft page. We iconized the A/C Info and Scrap A/C links, just to make them easier to access while not taking too much space in the table. Should we do the same for Routes?
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WOW IT'S AWESOME WELL DONE INDEED! a much nicer eye friendly AM interface love it! well done guys!
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I like the new changes, but it's going to take some time to get used to them...
There also seems to be more server lag than before :(
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I think the new design looks very professional and it must have taken a while to create such an improvement.
In my opinion, is it possible to include the loadfactor on the quick stats box, because since the box appears on the pages, it makes it easier to check the loadfactor. The previous site had quick stats on the top right-hand side of the page, which included loadfactor. Having loadfactor information on the quick stats box (new site) would make it easier to keep an eye on the loadfactor for your airline.
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Any progress on the bugs I reported? I still have an aircraft that was supposed to be delivered in 48 days that went to 78 after the upgrade.
Also, I cannot see anything when i click on the details of Open Broker Requests. The listing is supposed to produce Airline Name, Aircraft Type, Quantity, List Price, Markup, Your Liability. Every single item is empty..
Lastly, I cannot see the airplanes listed to me by my broker in the Aircraft For Sale section. Where did they go?
Once again, you cannot put a pretty picture on the website by trashing the functionality. Looks like the beta version has not been tested really well.
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Aircraft return bug:
When I return a leased aircraft only the first route is displayed as closed. It should be the entire route system that gets cancelled.
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I have a number of suggestions about improving the View Routes and View Aircraft pages. Please discuss.
About changing the View Routes page:
The flight number should be removed from the main row. I don't think it (or the link to detailed info) is needed very often. The link to extra info could be made into an icon, like the AC info icon.
I think the Edit Route button needs to be moved onto the main row. I would probably use that most out of any of the links on the page. This could be in the form of an icon.
I think the close routes check box should be put on the main row. I think it would probably suffice to have only the check box on the main row. If you only need to close one or two flights, it is not to inconvenient to open up the tab, if you want to close lots of routes, the check box is easiest.
On the View Aircraft page:
I think the aircraft age really needs to be shown.
As a side issue, maybe it could be shown to one decimal place, because rounded to one year (when you replace them between 2 to 4 years) is quite inaccurate.
Maybe the status could be changed into icons, I don't think it needs to be written out in full.
Another thing, when viewing specific fleet, cold the Aircraft Summary box, to the right, only show the aircraft in that fleet.
Could there also be an option to view aircraft not in a fleet, maybe next to the All Fleet link.
Edit:
I also noticed, on the home page, under Purchase Tokens: "Private Worlds are still in development and further updates about them will be made in due course."
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I am having issues trying to scrap a plane.
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Please add the following back to 'View Aircraft':
* Age
* Fleet
* Book value
...would be much appreciated!! Anyone else missing these? (I know Seattlepilot is! :))
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BBAir,
:D .. I am pretty amazed to see all these flaws on a supposedly 'upgrade'. Do you all work for Microsoft or something? :)
Here comes another bug :
- Aircraft Fleet summary shows 16 B735 aircraft.
- When I click on B735 , i see 11 of them.
- I own 9 and have 2 leased. So I guess 11 is correct, but why I see 16 B735 on the summary i don't know.
Here's another issue i have with this upgrade, everything should have been announced before. You don't release an upgrade without announcing the enhancement in an environment where you virtually don't have any competitors. Instead, the coders/administrators were tight lipped about this..
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The confirm closure button in the view routes section doesn't work...
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Here's another issue i have with this upgrade, everything should have been announced before. You don't release an upgrade without announcing the enhancement in an environment where you virtually don't have any competitors. Instead, the coders/administrators were tight lipped about this..
We do have competitors, mind you. Do a quick google search and you should come up with some quite easily. Second, please do mind the fact you're actually taking part in a mass beta test of Airline Mogul, instead of playing a fully developed airline management sim. Third, while I understand your criticism on the new design, there's no need to post the exact same feedback three times in the same thread. Fourth, now that you've found so so many problems with it, why on earth have I only seen two posts that actually contribute to getting the design better suited to everyone, none of which is yours?
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I think the new design looks very professional and it must have taken a while to create such an improvement.
In my opinion, is it possible to include the loadfactor on the quick stats box, because since the box appears on the pages, it makes it easier to check the loadfactor. The previous site had quick stats on the top right-hand side of the page, which included loadfactor. Having loadfactor information on the quick stats box (new site) would make it easier to keep an eye on the loadfactor for your airline.
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Noticed that post already on the second page of this thread. In short, yes it is possible, we'll probably get around to it in the coming days. Thanks for the feedback.
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MrOrange,
what do you want me to do, code it for you?
You keep addressing my critisism instead of addressing the issues i have reported. There is no need to get offended on these issues. You can design a very good looking site with lost functionality and that is a step backwwards, not forward.
I haven't seen anything from you saying 'Thanks for the bugs'. I haven't seen you asking for some extra help which i wouldn't mind providing if you were looking for some help with release management.
You addressed having competitors. You didn't address how many people have beta tested this applciation.
If this is a beta test, then why we are doing it publicly.
Did we stop the clock on the sim?
Why i feel like i am playing the real game when you claim this is a beta test? Show me an IT project where testing is done on the production side.
Did we take the before image of the game so that we can resume the sim from the time it started?
I am sorry, you have dropped the ball on this.
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WOW! This new design threw me for a HUGE loop when I woke up loaded up the laptop and logged onto AM. But WOW! I am speechless in a very good way. I'm still getting used to where things are but that would happen with just about any major update imo. The best part imo is that one of my pics was used in the rotation :) I got my scoot back last week from the shop so this coming week I'll be heading down the street to BFI to get more pics since I have most of the week off from work. Keep up the great work guys and if there are any girls do some work too.
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Show me an IT project where testing is done on the production side.
If AM had the funding to make this a fully commercial project where it is backed by a large bank balance to pay people to develop and test, then we might be in a position to have a 100% bug free product. But then again, its impossible to be 100% bug free.
There will always be bugs that wont be found during testing.
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Stephen,
fair enough on that.. But , taking already implemented functionality away is a big no no even when you are working a homework.
Would it be hard for you guys to create a subdomain where some invitees would beta test a private world for you?
Also, the 'spirit' of the upgrade sacrifices functionality and easy of use for better looks.
I would never implement pictures and new site all in one release. If you need some help with addressing these issues i am here to help.
If you don't have time , ask for more people.. Ask for more people to delegate some of the work you do..
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Seattlepilot, i believe there are and were some beta testers. Also a small-scale beta test cannot uncover all the bugs, especially those arising from a heavy server load. I believe this is why it is currently labeled as having a "24 hour testing period".
On the topic of critique, the only issues I have are the lack of drop-down menus, load factor not showing on quick stats, and some tables being improperly placed.
Tables I can live with, and you have already talked about the load factor. For drop-down menus, I understand it has had some bugs previously, but here is what I suggest:
-Keep the current system
-Make it so that mousing-over a heading will make its subheadings appear
For example:
I mouse over "Operations" - the options for "Create Route", "Edit Route", etc show up.
As the previous system only gave the option for a drop-down menu, this works better because those whose browsers do not support the menu can continue to do what is necessary now - click on the heading and then click on an option.
Other than these issues, the new look for AM seems to be much like the new Facebook. Its evolutionary and introduces some good features, but some things become harder or more complicated to access. Over time, people will get used it. I have...pretty much :D Same deal with vista :)
Thanks and great job with the new look!
edit: one more suggestion - with all the links on the site anyway, could you please make the load factor (on each route) clickable so it takes you to the edit route page? This would make editing more efficient.
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Stephen,
fair enough on that.. But , taking already implemented functionality away is a big no no even when you are working a homework.
Would it be hard for you guys to create a subdomain where some invitees would beta test a private world for you?
Also, the 'spirit' of the upgrade sacrifices functionality and easy of use for better looks.
I would never implement pictures and new site all in one release. If you need some help with addressing these issues i am here to help.
If you don't have time , ask for more people.. Ask for more people to delegate some of the work you do..
Ok... I understand your confusion, disorientation, and distress over the loss of the old easy-to-use interface. It is quite frustrating to try and find everything in this new setting. It is also hard to go on the website and see something that is totally different from what we have been seeing for the past several months. The emotions that you are going through, we are also going through, more or less.
On the other hand, it is inevitable for a website to move on. The fact is that the old text interface is not up to par when compared to our competitions. To keep ourselves competitive, we have to change. As a response to the market trend, this new interface has been put together. We have not taken away any old features, except for the ones getting replaced with newer versions. The issue is that we have encountered technical issues unforeseen by our developers, and of which we are truely apologetic. How things should have worked was that when you move your mouse onto an icon of a plane, the information should have shown. We do see that that is not how it is working, and it is causing quite a bit of grieve. Nonetheless, if we don't improve our website, we would be increasingly unatttractive and therefore we would have to make such a dramatic change.
We do have an elite group of core testers. However, they are all volunteers who at times get side tracked with their airlines. Everytime we have made any big changes, there have been issues. Therefore, we have this 24 hours as buffer, trying to get bugs fixed based on constructive criticism. Regretfully, I have to agree with MrOrange that you could have offered criticisms of higher quality. We very much want to improve your gaming experience, so please help us help you. Please do understand that our staffs are volunteers who give their time in this game, without any monetary rewards. The bottomline is that you are playing this game for free. That said, one would wonder if your expectations are a little bit off balance.
Once again, we are truely sorry for all the troubles caused. As Sir Colin Marshall once said, "The customer doesn't expect everything will go right all the time; the big test is what you do when things go wrong." Please give us a chance to rectify the issues, and keep an open mind for the future. Thank you.
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You keep addressing my critisism instead of addressing the issues i have reported. There is no need to get offended on these issues.
OK, point taken, my response probably was a little on the harsh side. My apologies for that. And, obviously, thanks for the feedback, but I've previously stated I'm looking for some more ideas on how to improve things, instead of what to improve. After all, as you would be the first to recognize, the people who would be using the site are the ones whose opinions we value most, but for that to happen, we need opinions even more than bug reports. Seeing as you are by far the most active poster in this thread, I expected you to have more suggestions on how to improve things.
2. The maintenance cost on the Aircraft page are incorrect - showing a completely different (lower) figure than in Finances.
The maintenance cost shown on the Aircraft page is the daily maintenance cost. Might need some labelling.
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You guys sound like a bunch of little kids complaining about the new facebook. :P
The new website is great and I am sure it will only get better.
If any of you guys have a problem with AM, than do something to help. Report bugs, and most of all, buy tokens. I am amazed how great this game is considering there is almost no funding.
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I haven't had much time to play around with the new interface, but please add the Edit link to the main line of the routes listings. Or, perhaps add a small pencil icon for editing and a red 'X' to close the route on the main line.
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Would this do?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_editroute.png) (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_closeroute.png)
These can be put on the main line quite easily.
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Would this do?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_editroute.png) (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_closeroute.png)
I think those would do very nicely.
Along the same line (pun intended), would it be possible to have each route's checkbox on the main line?
Also, if there remains a need for secondary lines of information, why not also show ticket prices somewhere in there?
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You guys sound like a bunch of little kids complaining about the new facebook. :P
The new website is great and I am sure it will only get better.
If any of you guys have a problem with AM, than do something to help. Report bugs, and most of all, buy tokens. I am amazed how great this game is considering there is almost no funding.
+1 Although the new facebook isnt bad at all and i dont get the hype and complaint of it :s
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I hate the new facebook..... >:( :P
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If you continue to go off topic the thread will be locked. There is a lot of discussion required on this area to ensure the design meets the general requirements of the users and I don't particularly want to have to close it.
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Haveing just come back from a long time away, all I can say is :o Wow thats different! But so far, SO MUCH BETTER! :D
Just 2 nigglaly things so far:
Why not 100 years on private worlds?
Why is the world I would love to creat 1000 tokens?? I only have 220 :( ... :P gess Ill have to shell out sometime now I have a debit card
One resonalbly large thing (well to me it is):
You still dont have the edit I sugested for create route:
Departure Airport:
(drop down menue)
Arrival airport:
Continent:
(drop down menue)
Country:
(drop down menue)
Airport:
(drop down menue)
But still, very cool :)
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You still dont have the edit I sugested for create route:
Only 3 features or updates were released really. Probably will add a few small features like that soon.
Welcome back.
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Haveing just come back from a long time away, all I can say is :o Wow thats different! But so far, SO MUCH BETTER! :D
Just 2 nigglaly things so far:
Why not 100 years on private worlds?
Why is the world I would love to creat 1000 tokens?? I only have 220 :( ... :P gess Ill have to shell out sometime now I have a debit card
One resonalbly large thing (well to me it is):
You still dont have the edit I sugested for create route:
Departure Airport:
(drop down menue)
Arrival airport:
Continent:
(drop down menue)
Country:
(drop down menue)
Airport:
(drop down menue)
But still, very cool :)
The same here and I agree. Also, it would be nice to change the color of the percentage when it goes below 100-80%, 79.99 to 60%, 59.99-35%, 34.99%-0%... or something like that
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In Private Worlds, I think it would be nice to be able to choose multiple countries, Like have a private world with the UK, France and Switzerland, for example, and be able to do that for any country provided the total number of Airports is larger then 50.
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You still dont have the edit I sugested for create route:
Only 3 features or updates were released really. Probably will add a few small features like that soon.
Welcome back.
Ok thats cool if its going to comein soon, I can understand that just getting a new theme out would have been hard enough, and you wanna see if that works first :) Any clues what the new features are? I cant work it out :P
And thanks for the welcome :) Its good to be back and finding that I have 600,000,000 euros from just flying around the UK!
One more thing, the worlds that you are in are not hilighted in green anymore on Opera, I dont know about anything else, they are highlited in Blue? Thats just a small word update ;)
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One resonalbly large thing (well to me it is):
You still dont have the edit I sugested for create route:
Departure Airport:
(drop down menue)
Arrival airport:
Continent:
(drop down menue)
Country:
(drop down menue)
Airport:
(drop down menue)
But still, very cool :)
There are many airports that i fly into that i don't know which country they belong to. Also, coders correct me if i am wrong but this feature will tax the server doing 4 queries instead of 3.
Server is slower and 'prettiness' was chosen over functionality of the site.
As a mechanic i know would say (about a new paint job on a plane) this is the same whore with a new dress :P
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There is little to no business intelligence about how my airline is doing. One of the flaws i see is the mx. cost on the initial screen.
I can collect all my 'upgrade screw ups' list in a single thread and make a big list, but i think the #1 issue is the lost functionality from previous version. You should have that as the highes priority before you address enhancement requests.
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The initial screen being the Operations page? If so, please bear in mind that the cost displayed there is the daily cost.
There are many airports that i fly into that i don't know which country they belong to. Also, coders correct me if i am wrong but this feature will tax the server doing 4 queries instead of 3.
It won't help, that's for sure.
One more thing, the worlds that you are in are not hilighted in green anymore on Opera, I dont know about anything else, they are highlited in Blue? Thats just a small word update ;)
Blue? They should very, very definitely be green. Maybe it's your monitor playing tricks ???
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Nobody on the AM team has responded to requests of being able to sort by Aircraft Age/Book Value on the View Aircraft page. So I'd like to put in a word for this feature to be re-implemented as well. The decimal places idea for aircraft age is also a very very good idea.
Here are some of the most relevant posts re this issue:
Original Post
Reply #29
Reply #31
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Any comment on my suggestions?
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I didn't read all 5 pages of the thread, but I did read most of the 1st, so if something I said had a response to it, sorry about that.
As said before, a bunch of stuff is just jumping out at you at once, but that could be because of the new look. I too also miss the average LF being in the same area where you could find the Cash/Airline value/Date. This was usually used to make sure there wasn't any huge significant drop in LF by me. Also, the aircraft list lacks a "Fleet" column, which is something I used for knowing how many aircraft I needed to put in for each fleet.
I too personally miss the old green look myself, even if it is outdated. Not to mention I think it would've behaved better while I'm at home (I have dial-up there, so I don't know how all this new flashy stuff might act on it, but I am scared that it might shut me out of the game for the most part.)
Other than that, it is an interesting.
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The initial screen being the Operations page? If so, please bear in mind that the cost displayed there is the daily cost.
There are many airports that i fly into that i don't know which country they belong to. Also, coders correct me if i am wrong but this feature will tax the server doing 4 queries instead of 3.
It won't help, that's for sure.
Fair enough, it was only a sugestion ;) Just keep it in mind if it doesnt use too much speed or you can think of a quick way to code it.
One more thing, the worlds that you are in are not hilighted in green anymore on Opera, I dont know about anything else, they are highlited in Blue? Thats just a small word update ;)
Blue? They should very, very definitely be green. Maybe it's your monitor playing tricks ???
Nope, they are deffenatly 100%, totally blue. I am useing Opera so that might be it.
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Also another suggestion:
on the quick stats, make it so that
-clicking the DOC brings you to the view routes page
-clicking the airline cash brings you to the finance screen
-clicking the airline value brings you to the rankings page
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please add the edit icon on the main line when you have the chance. When I use Explorer its painfully slow trying to get things edited.
Once I figured out where the hell everything was its a pretty slick site, i really like it. (Aside from the before mentioned issue) There's always the pink site right?
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Has there been a reduction on the login times per session via cookies?
While in the old system this is not an issue, now we need to select a world, then go through the advertising token crap before entering.
There must be a better way...
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While in the old system this is not an issue, now we need to select a world, then go through the advertising token crap before entering.
I don't understand. The text has largely remained constant, and the number of pages taken to reach the logged in area has reduced by one. (Out of 3)
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please add the edit icon on the main line when you have the chance. When I use Explorer its painfully slow trying to get things edited.
Would this do?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_editroute.png) (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_closeroute.png)
These can be put on the main line quite easily.
Hopefully these can be implemented soon.
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ITs taken a while, but our resident Javascript developer took a look tonight at the problem with expanding the rows in View Aircraft and View Routes. Please see the following thread:
http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=8960.0
(For bug tracking its easier to keep it out of this thread)
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can we still have the edit button/icon?
pretty please?
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after a while i must say the new look is nice, so at this point good work mates ;)
but... some very importend things are "lost in space ".. with that update:
- - Postet here a lot - we need back our edit botton on front page
- aircraft.. nice to know when the planes are comming, but if i click the plane, the next side shows me only the first plane.. but i need to know HOW MUCH are comming ( not only which type of plane )
- operations.. the window in the middle ( shows u ure % on HUB ) is to small, if u have 5 or more didnt show the last - no big thing, but would be nice to correct it
- view routes..cant sort out - or see on any place ( like the old screen )my single routes directly ( so cant see or delete/close my 0,5 routes for example from a hub, i think we need that old screen ( or maybe in a new look ) that old listing where we can see: single routes,which plane/type are flying and where we can close 1 or more routes in one step/ and or edit them ( like old screen ).today i waste more as 2 hours time to edit up my routes in w14 from less 75 %.. and that with only 100 planes, how many time i have to invest if i have 1500 ( i have in w 10 now ? :roll: ), so much time no one can have, so that could be a reasen for me to leave this game totaly - and i wouldnt do that ??? -
so pls give us that listing back - include airplane age ;)-
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so pls give us that listing back - include airplane age ;)-
Just a note on this front, aswell as the routes issue. Did you read:
Missing Information?
Click on the Plus Sign next to an airplane, to expand that airplane and see more detailed information on it. Click the sign again to collapse the plane when you are done viewing it.
For even more detail, click the aircraft ID just right of the Plus Sign to view more details on the aircraft, and be able to sell, lease or rename it.
Basically, click on the yellow box with the + in it, to see the age and value of the aircraft. For routes all the information from the old display are there aswell. There will be edit and close route icons added soon, I am waiting on feedback about placement of these. I don't really do any design work anymore, its not my strong point and I leave it to those with the skills.
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The trouble with information on secondary lines is that the listing is no longer sortable by those columns.
Not that placing ALL of the info on the same line made for a very interesting display. I, for one, absolutely hated the way all lines had to be wrapped with the old interface. So, I'd say the change was for the better.
Still, it's a shame some functionality had to be lost. Perhaps if it would be possible to...
1) Add a button that would expand all records at the same time;
2) Display a secondary heading for the columns in the second line and make them sortable.
Also, I miss having time to delivery on the a/c list. Perhaps a single number between parenthesis (as before) after the "On order" string wouldn't ruin the display too much?
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1) Add a button that would expand all records at the same time;
I was thinking about that a few minutes ago. In theory its relatively straight forward. It would be a "toggle" function if I have my logic correct. Basically those open would close and those closed would open. That would be the fastest way to implement. Might go and look at it before my first lecture starts.
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Working example of expand all is now on the aircraft page. I wont be extending this to routes or refining it for a few hours. Global Supply Management is getting in the way unfortunately!
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View Aircraft page has the toggle all rows, let me know if it suits/doesn't suit. I changed it so that the + changes to a - on clicking.
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View Aircraft page has the toggle all rows, let me know if it suits/doesn't suit. I changed it so that the + changes to a - on clicking.
Yes. I think that helps a lot. It's far easier to see at a glance what aircraft belong to each fleet, for instance. :)
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so pls give us that listing back - include airplane age ;)-
Just a note on this front, aswell as the routes issue. Did you read:
Missing Information?
Click on the Plus Sign next to an airplane, to expand that airplane and see more detailed information on it. Click the sign again to collapse the plane when you are done viewing it.
For even more detail, click the aircraft ID just right of the Plus Sign to view more details on the aircraft, and be able to sell, lease or rename it.
Basically, click on the yellow box with the + in it, to see the age and value of the aircraft. For routes all the information from the old display are there aswell. There will be edit and close route icons added soon, I am waiting on feedback about placement of these. I don't really do any design work anymore, its not my strong point and I leave it to those with the skills.
thx but i know that and its nice, but i can see only the routes from that one aircraft, and if u have 1500 planes it likes a lot of time to click and look how old ~maybe 150 planes are, if u want sell them out ??? but thats not so importend.
more importend is that( for example:) i want see ALL routes from a HUB ( not the planes are flying there )maybe to close all 0,5 routes or to close all routes less then 20 k income - or something like this.. - thats NOT possible now - or ?
edit, i take a look at the route screen right now ( all routes from HUB XXX ), so maybe u have only to make a row where the freq. is shown ( between Profit/load ? )and a window for close route - each route - so that u can close them - in one step - with the close botton at the bottom ( is there )
and a last thing, if u would swich the " Display options " from the right to the left side ( unter " token window " ) u would have more space for the listing
i know that ALL informations i want are there but i think we need them on the overwiev and not inside route or airplane window, the other way waste to much time if the game is running longer btw if u have more planes/routes
thx
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so maybe u have only to make a row where the freq. is shown ( between Profit/load ? )and a window for close route - each route - so that u can close them - in one step - with the close botton at the bottom ( is there )
That should be there by clicking on the + on the view routes page. I will be making a toggle button to expand/colapse all rows later this weekend.
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so maybe u have only to make a row where the freq. is shown ( between Profit/load ? )and a window for close route - each route - so that u can close them - in one step - with the close botton at the bottom ( is there )
That should be there by clicking on the + on the view routes page. I will be making a toggle button to expand/colapse all rows later this weekend.
ähmm.. yes i know.. and so i have to make 2400 clicks to find out which routes are .5 ( 1200 for open, 1200 for close + ) if i have 1200 routes from London ??
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please add the edit icon on the main line when you have the chance. When I use Explorer its painfully slow trying to get things edited.
Would this do?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_editroute.png) (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/Rarehans/icon_closeroute.png)
These can be put on the main line quite easily.
Hopefully these can be implemented soon.
Icons are added.
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Stephen,
appreciate the icons but how crutial are they? Once again you, as a design team not personally,are ignoring some very important requests. Your priorities are pretty much backwards. People have been asking for more information on the listing pages. These valuable information are hidden in the '+' areas or by clicking on the aircraft.
To give you an idea, i still cannot see what aircraft is assigned with a fleet management label by looking at 'view aircraft'. You need to put more and valuable information on the opening page.
I will voice the same opinion that i did after the release of this new version,the website is too crowded. You decided to add 'fancy' features by adding more irrelevant data to the left and to the right of the screen.
On view aircraft , do i really need to see 'purchase tokens' window?
Here's a very important statistics for you: when i open the 'view aircraft' screen , the area that i see the information that i want to see , where the aircraft are listed, is occupying 17% of the screen. Yep, only 17% is the information that is being displayed is valuable to me.
Take a look at the Purchase Aircraft area on the same screen. Becuase of the drop down screens you have a large area dedicated to the right side.. It's eating away so much real estate, it's unbelivable..
Lastly, the problems that you are running into are because of bad management of this project.I know we discussed this before, but you have to have some kind of a planning, oversight, project management about these.
When you have a major issue like hot swapping aircraft where it's going to make things easier for 13K+ users , you cannot deal with small stuff..
I got critisized before for being too harsh on you and i have offered my help. It's been a week and noone contacted me from your management team. My offer is still valid..
Lastly, where are most of the 'team' located? If they are concentrated to a certain time zone, then you should consider having multiple teams from different parts of the world so that you can make this 'volunteer' project and on going 24 hr long development.
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Stephen,
appreciate the icons but how crutial are they? Once again you, as a design team not personally,are ignoring some very important requests. Your priorities are pretty much backwards. People have been asking for more information on the listing pages. These valuable information are hidden in the '+' areas or by clicking on the aircraft.
To give you an idea, i still cannot see what aircraft is assigned with a fleet management label by looking at 'view aircraft'. You need to put more and valuable information on the opening page.
By toggling all the rows to display/close, this basically allows the same view within 1 extra click. I am going to move the toggle button to the top of the tables, but it will take a few minutes.
I will voice the same opinion that i did after the release of this new version,the website is too crowded. You decided to add 'fancy' features by adding more irrelevant data to the left and to the right of the screen.
On view aircraft , do i really need to see 'purchase tokens' window?
The "Fancy" features on the right of the screen should have been there since roughly 2006/2007. I designed AM with a main table area for the left and a small table area for the right. The only major change here is that there are intermittent photos appearing.
On the left side, we have moved the airline details from the top of the page to the left. Once the private worlds were launched they would have caused design problems in terms of fitting everything in up there.
In terms of navigation, I wouldn't mind adding an extra box to the left of the screen, where a user can place for example 5 pages they regularly use, and they can simply click on the link to go there from any page, instead of using the menu bar.
I can also look at using Javascript to change the menus to rollover and change the lower row. However I am by no means skilled in Javascript and will probably need help from our third developer.
Here's a very important statistics for you: when i open the 'view aircraft' screen , the area that i see the information that i want to see , where the aircraft are listed, is occupying 17% of the screen. Yep, only 17% is the information that is being displayed is valuable to me.
What is your screen resolution size? The idea of the design change there and in routes was to make the number of rows visible than before. Again on this front, there may be something we can do for the left side of the screen, but my skills are not up to the task and I wont really discuss what I have in mind unless I find someone who can do it.
Take a look at the Purchase Aircraft area on the same screen. Becuase of the drop down screens you have a large area dedicated to the right side.. It's eating away so much real estate, it's unbelivable..
That has been there since the beginning of AM.
Lastly, the problems that you are running into are because of bad management of this project.I know we discussed this before, but you have to have some kind of a planning, oversight, project management about these.
I wont deny project management is poor.
When you have a major issue like hot swapping aircraft where it's going to make things easier for 13K+ users , you cannot deal with small stuff..
Availability of suitable developers is the issue here. I prefer to let this feature be developed by someone with greater skills in this area than myself.
I got critisized before for being too harsh on you and i have offered my help. It's been a week and noone contacted me from your management team. My offer is still valid..
I may have missed that, and will look back over your posts.
Lastly, where are most of the 'team' located? If they are concentrated to a certain time zone, then you should consider having multiple teams from different parts of the world so that you can make this 'volunteer' project and on going 24 hr long development.
There are 3 developers. One in the United States. He has a full time job aside from AM and currently works on improving the performance of the database and the server. He has done huge work here and cleaned up my crap progressively since he joined.
Two of us are based in Europe. I am a full time honours degree final year student and I devote about 30mins to AM in terms of development time daily. Admin tasks are performed when I get a chance in college. Weekends are a mix of leisure and AM time. There have been two advertisements this year for developers, but no final appointments were made.
I appreciate the feedback and I hope I have made a balanced approach to the answer.
Just on a side note, I don't suppose anyone noticed the lack of advertising at the top of the page? Despite the fact it was a top earning position, I thought it might be a welcome change.
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Aircraft return bug:
When I return a leased aircraft only the first route is displayed as closed. It should be the entire route system that gets cancelled.
I was working through the posts and this may be because the rest of the routes appear closed at the end of the page. Not by design however.
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For the sake of consolidation, I've compiled this thread into a spreadsheet and is available to view here:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pYxtfuDN7DrUOgsQksYwvHg
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Some changes for today:
Daily until delivery - Reinstated
Loadfactor in quick stats - Added
Age with decimal - Added
Aircraft Summary box - Linked to fleet
View aircraft not in fleet - Added
Homepage information on private worlds - Corrected
Confirm closure button on mass close route - Fixed
Private World game duration restriction - Corrected
Quantity of aircraft on order summary - Added
Display of base loadfactors constricted - Adjusted to be dynamic
Secondary heading sorted - Added 2 to View Aircraft and 1 to View Routes
Thats it for now.
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Some changes for today:
Daily until delivery - Reinstated
Loadfactor in quick stats - Added
Age with decimal - Added
Aircraft Summary box - Linked to fleet
View aircraft not in fleet - Added
Homepage information on private worlds - Corrected
Confirm closure button on mass close route - Fixed
Private World game duration restriction - Corrected
Quantity of aircraft on order summary - Added
Display of base loadfactors constricted - Adjusted to be dynamic
Secondary heading sorted - Added 2 to View Aircraft and 1 to View Routes
Thats it for now.
Stephen, you need to leave yourself a little bit of time for some golf now and then. Ever played Royal County Down? 8)
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a big THANKS to stephen.. at this all my dreams are real now :D ( maybe i find other things next days :P )
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Stephen, you need to leave yourself a little bit of time for some golf now and then. Ever played Royal County Down? 8)
I guess you'd be the best person to listen to on that front!
Don't worry, progress will be back to a snail's pace next week. Weekends I get a clear run for a few hours.
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Thanks for adding the LF to quick stats and the edit/close route buttons. Just one thing - why do clicking the edit/close route buttons bring up a new window?
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Some changes for today:
:o
That was a lot of (very welcome) changes! ;D
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First I would like to say thank you to Stephen and the rest of the team. This is a great game and the continued development is great.
I would like to suggest a breakdown of MX costs per A/C. This would help in determining when an A/C should be replaced. On that note I also think that the MX costs might need to be slowed down a bit as replacing an A/C every time it hits 3-4 year old would not be cost effective in the real world. This would push for more leases than ownership as with Leases you would not have to pay any MX costs.
Just trying to make the game more like the real world.
Thanks
Casey
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I would also highly appreciate maintenance costs per plane.
But back to the new features. I also miss the ability to sort the aircraft fleet by age - several others have already mentioned that in this very thread.
At the moment I have about 70 KFCs in my fleet, ranging from 0 to 5 years. I would like to gradually phase out the oldest of them, but at the moment, finding them is really annoying. That was way better before!
To make the game more realistic, I also have several suggestions (lower maintenance e.g.), but I will open a different threat for them, as I understand this thread is about the critique on the new features.
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Thanks for adding the LF to quick stats and the edit/close route buttons. Just one thing - why do clicking the edit/close route buttons bring up a new window?
Because I was of the understanding that if you go to edit routes, chances are you want to edit more than one. And for that reason it allows you to use multiple tabs. (Its designed for use with tabbed browsers)
I also miss the ability to sort the aircraft fleet by age - several others have already mentioned that in this very thread.
Please re-read my post of changes and take a look a the view aircraft page. It was implemented before your post.
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In W14, at the A/C Market entry page, there are 2 planes shown under leasing deals. These a/c don't seem to be available to the public (and clicking on "Buy" does nothing). Is this a bug?
(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8282/acmktru7.jpg)
Aircraft IDs are 2947 and 275.
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Thanks for adding the LF to quick stats and the edit/close route buttons. Just one thing - why do clicking the edit/close route buttons bring up a new window?
Because I was of the understanding that if you go to edit routes, chances are you want to edit more than one. And for that reason it allows you to use multiple tabs. (Its designed for use with tabbed browsers)
OK i understand that, but you would normally edit 1 route at a time, right? So after editing the route it brings you back to the view routes page. This eliminates the need to open the page in a new tab.
I have firefox 3 (with tabs, of course) but when I am on my 1024x768 resolution laptop, all the tabs get quite annoying.
Thanks
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Some changes for today:
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Private World game duration restriction - Corrected
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Thats it for now.
It can only go up to 89 years now on Opera :( I wanted 1919 - 2019! Or atleast 1919-2010....
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in the last 2/3 days your (advanced)route search screwed up. doing a 'check my own gates search brings up with gates which i don't own at all.
fix this please as it makes creating new routes harder
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It can only go up to 89 years now on Opera :( I wanted 1919 - 2019! Or atleast 1919-2010....
We don't have fuel data for 2009 or after, as we haven't reached those years in real life just yet. :) As a result, it is not possible to play in them.
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It can only go up to 89 years now on Opera :( I wanted 1919 - 2019! Or atleast 1919-2010....
We don't have fuel data for 2009 or after, as we haven't reached those years in real life just yet. :) As a result, it is not possible to play in them.
Oh ok fair enough :)