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Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Chavaquiah on May 07, 2008, 02:16:15 pm
I don't know if it was just me but my airline (ID 8585), in Public Word #3, does not have any financial movements for the 1st of September. Yet cash and airline value went down.

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5886/image1id6.jpg)

In the Operations Dept there are no entries for this month.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: StephenM on May 07, 2008, 02:29:37 pm
I may know the reason for this, however I cannot investigate fully until later this evening.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Ceylon on May 07, 2008, 02:32:38 pm
same here  :)   damn i have no projected maintenence, gate, expenses...COOL!! hehe bt those costs have been taken into account....
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: KLM1991 on May 07, 2008, 04:40:22 pm
Same problem here. World 4.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: MM21 on May 07, 2008, 06:10:23 pm
It also occurred in W6
And affected to my airline value :(
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: killian320 on May 07, 2008, 07:18:46 pm
Slight technical difficulty folks... please standby while the admins fix the problem.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Air Elbonia on May 07, 2008, 10:12:13 pm
Alright.  I believe i found it and fixed it.

There was a missing comma... i hate those small details that mess big things up.

at the moment, the only thing that appeared effected was the record entry process (as you noticed) the cash affect was still working properly.  

Stephen introduced (whether he announced it or not) some maintenance staff costs which will be charged on a monthly basis IIRC.  they're not too huge, but they're denoted separately in the cash flow logs.  Small bug in there, as i said, messed up the recordkeeping.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: o_o on May 08, 2008, 04:50:32 am
but i prefer there is no expenses every month , only revenue  :lol:
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: boilermaker on May 08, 2008, 05:14:09 am
Quote from: "o_o"
but i prefer there is no expenses every month , only revenue  :lol:


Don't we all  :twisted:
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: yourefired on May 08, 2008, 06:30:46 am
Costs still show zero on my income statement.....
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Berimbau on May 08, 2008, 09:20:33 am
It's also happening to me! Suddenly my operating costs dropped more than 75% :shock:
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: StephenM on May 08, 2008, 09:30:46 am
It should ahve happened to everyone. As Will said it was a comma that caused the issue, just love those little things. :(

As a result of this change, there is a new maintenace cost for staff. There will be new statistics to log the airframe hours and cycles on the aircraft added soon. They will help with future maintenance changes.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Cheung Airlines on May 08, 2008, 09:37:10 am
:P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
Then, do I have to pay for the costs that haven't show up this month?
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: SkinnyRabbit on May 08, 2008, 11:03:01 am
Hopefully not, and hopefully the charges are less then they have been.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: StephenM on May 08, 2008, 11:04:05 am
Quote from: "SkinnyRabbit"
Hopefully not, and hopefully the charges are less then they have been.


There are additional costs now. Nothing too big, but its a start.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Wizzie on May 08, 2008, 11:57:55 am
I knew there was an explaination for this when i checked my finances page about 2-3 mins ago
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Chavaquiah on May 08, 2008, 02:15:25 pm
Quote from: "StephenM"
There are additional costs now. Nothing too big, but its a start.

My maintenance bill went from 2.97 bn to 5.26 bn! Nothing too big, you say?! :evil:

You'll make easyJets of us all! :cry:

OK, I was one who asked for increased costs. Silly me. Can't complaint now.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Cheung Airlines on May 08, 2008, 02:41:44 pm
:evil:  :evil:  :evil: (wwith my nose bleeding)
WTF!!! The maintianence cost are soooo high (78% of the overall cost):cry:  :cry:  :cry:
My airline is going to bankrupt soon if it continues....
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: trekwars2000 on May 08, 2008, 03:29:09 pm
Quote from: "Cheung Airlines"
:evil:  :evil:  :evil: (wwith my nose bleeding)
WTF!!! The maintianence cost are soooo high (78% of the overall cost):cry:  :cry:  :cry:
My airline is going to bankrupt soon if it continues....


Mine when up as well.  I am near 3bil a day in mait. costs...  This brings up another question.  With over 1.5 bil of leased planes out, why did I not get paid for them last month and why do I pay maitnence on them?  

Shouldn't the leaser pay?
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: Chavaquiah on May 08, 2008, 03:50:11 pm
Quote from: "trekwars2000"
With over 1.5 bil of leased planes out, why did I not get paid for them last month and why do I pay maitnence on them?  

Shouldn't the leaser pay?

You did get paid. It's just that the revenue was not logged. But both your cash and your airline value should reflect your leasing revenue.

And why does the leaser pay maintenance? Well, damp leasing (http://www.stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6525) contracts, that's why.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: yourefired on May 08, 2008, 05:10:43 pm
So I see they've added engineering and tech services salaries....does that mean there's an advantage to having a more uniform fleet, as you don't need to hire as many engineers?

Mine's at 68%.
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: StephenM on May 08, 2008, 05:39:25 pm
As you should all see, the Salaries are quite low. When I was putting the concept together, it was felt that the ratio of staff per plane was too high, so it was lowered. The way it is calculated is the fleet /3. That means that for each individual aircraft type, unless it was divisible by 3 it would have an effect, but only a few thousand a month. In the second maintenance change, common fleets and scrapping should make a bigger difference with lower costs for new parts, and scrapped planes could also be used for parts (As they are supposed to be)
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: a1b23 on May 08, 2008, 08:09:44 pm
Quote from: "StephenM"
As you should all see, the Salaries are quite low. When I was putting the concept together, it was felt that the ratio of staff per plane was too high, so it was lowered. The way it is calculated is the fleet /3. That means that for each individual aircraft type, unless it was divisible by 3 it would have an effect, but only a few thousand a month. In the second maintenance change, common fleets and scrapping should make a bigger difference with lower costs for new parts, and scrapped planes could also be used for parts (As they are supposed to be)


So a standardized fleet will have benefit in game like there is in real life (southwest)?
Title: No revenue or costs on 1 Sep 1971
Post by: StephenM on May 08, 2008, 09:00:11 pm
Thats the way it should be, but the concept for the second stage of maintenance needs to be developed further. Its very much a set of loose ideas.